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Title: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: boonibarb on July 05, 2010, 07:43:52 PM

There are many eagle nests on Hornby Island other than the eagle cam nest. Doug has done an excellent map of the ones he knew of when he wrote his book "The Eagles of Hornby Island" published in 2008. Not all of the nests on the map were used this year, & there are some nests that are active that aren*t displayed on the map. Doug*s eagle nest map

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Heads up With all my fotos, if you click on them, you will get a larger version. Also, any bold blue type is a link that you can click on.
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: boonibarb on July 05, 2010, 10:46:45 PM
i got a call about an eagle nest yesterday morning that had two eaglets visible in it!
i was invited to come over to see, any time!!!   :biggrin6
So, over Dooki & i went with my camera!
i spotted the two eaglets right away, & there was a parent on the nest with them.
The other adult was airing out in a nearby perch tree on the water.
Had they been fishing, got wet, & were drying their feathers?
i took fotos of the eaglets, then the perched adult, back to the eaglets, back to the adult.
When i got back to the eaglets again, what did i see there???
One of them was branching!!   :eceek

july 4 2010 13:00 - Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm eaglet branching! - 0418

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july 4 2010 11:47 - two eaglets on nest 6, 7 Savoie Farm - 0226

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Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Tigerlady105 on July 05, 2010, 11:49:21 PM
Booni, this is a very interesting development and a mystery to be solved!   :ecsmile
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: winterwren on July 05, 2010, 11:55:25 PM
Today I went to see nests #6 and 7 with Booni. The nests are on private property, overlooking the water. We feel very grateful to be given permission to go observe these nests. It's a beautiful, very peaceful setting.

Nests 6 and 7 are very close together, but only one is occupied. According to Doug, there was a third nest right next to nest #6, but the tree broke off. The eagles then moved to nest #6, then a few years later to nest #7 (do I have it all straight, Booni?)

As we approached the nest, we could see movement, lots of it. Then an eaglet appeared on a branch!

Branching eaglet, July 5 2010 (clickable picture)

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When I posted this picture on the chat, it aroused lots of interest because this eaglet looks so different from Phoenix. Then Booni posted the stunningly detailed pictures from the preceding post. Ajl noted that both eaglets have orange commissures (the angle where the upper and lower part of the beak meet). The usual colour is yellow. This and other details gives a very different appearance to these eaglets.

Booni saw both parents, and they're both normal-looking bald eagles... though the adult we heard calling a few times today sounded very different from other bald eagles I've heard here.

To be continued!
Wren
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Tigerlady105 on July 06, 2010, 12:04:21 AM
Wren, thanks for posting your excellent picture and your comments about Nest #7's eagles and the story behind it.  I love learning about these details of life on Hornby Island.

Doug, Sheila, Booni, you and the other Hornby eagles friends who live on or visit Hornby Island are helping us have a wonderful and unique real-life experience that we could not get any other way!   :eclove
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: boonibarb on July 26, 2010, 06:11:45 AM
Yesterday, i was back on my mission to visit Nest #6/7 to see what the eaglets were up to.
Dooki & i headed out on the bicycle.
You go down a long driveway, then there is a beautiful yellow grassy field full of cow plops & yellow dandelions full of bees.
The silence is lovely.
There are many trees of different types on a high bank looking out over the water.
My favourites are the Arbutus trees.
The nest trees are huge & gorgeous.
i saw an adult in the usual perch tree.
i was scanning the trees for a view of the nest, when what did i see???  :eceek
A tall broken off tree with two eaglets in it!
So this nest*s eaglets have fledged!
One was on the top of the tree, the other very close to the top, lower down.
They both watched me come closer.
There was a Merlin flying around in circles, i wondered if they were harassing the eaglets in their tree.
i set up my camera & got some fotos before the one at the top of the tree went screeping off to the water & along the bank & back again & landed on the nest tree on a perch branch.
There were three times where they launched off & let the whole world know they were flying by screeping away as they flew.
The adult left the perch tree once & flew back again.
There is a maple, i believe, in the field, & that is where i left Dooki & the bike, in the shade.
A male White Crowned Sparrow was chipping at me from the tree branches the whole time i was there.
Go away! he kept saying!
Cheeky fella.  :eclove
At one point i heard a slop slop slop sound coming from the beach.
What the heck is that???
i ran to the edge of the bank & looked over.
A family of otters!
There was a parent & three little ones & i watched them with my camera as they ran from the bank to the water.
i hope the fotos of them turn out!
This is a lovely spot.
i could*ve stayed there all day...  
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Tigerlady105 on July 26, 2010, 06:18:30 AM
Booni, I love your descriptions of what you see and do!  They are so vivid, it's almost like being there with you.  (Don't we wish?!)  Can't wait to see the photos you took of the eaglets and the otter family.   :eclove  

What a wonderful place to live for someone who enjoys the outdoors, wildlife and photography!  Always something new to see there.   :nod2
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Cawatcher on July 26, 2010, 07:58:29 AM
 :eclove What an exciting outing!! Cant wait to see your pics  :nod2  !!
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Donnae on July 26, 2010, 08:25:30 AM
Wow Booni, I know I could of stayed all day!!! Sounds so beautiful and can't wait to see photos!!!
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: lcyjan on July 27, 2010, 12:19:15 AM
How lucky of you get to see all the activities of wildlife near you!    I look forward to see all the photos!  thank you for sharing!!
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: boonibarb on September 18, 2010, 02:02:53 PM
Okay, here is a video to go with the observations above.
Here you see BOTH fledged Eaglets of Nest #6/7, in a perch tree near the Nest.
At one point, one of them does a shuggle.
If you don*t know what a shuggle is, you can look it up in the Diction-aerie(click here) (http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=14.0)

 july 25 2010 13:45 - Nest # 6/7 fledged Eaglets


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iELgYpDBo2A
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: boonibarb on September 18, 2010, 02:45:47 PM
Here is the Eaglet who flew to the Nest Tree.
They are perched on a branch above the Nest.
At one point in the video, you hear the adult call out.
You can also hear the male White-Crowned Sparrow chip-chipping at me in the background!  :eclove

july 25 2010 14:03 - Nest # 6/7 Eaglet on Nest Tree perch branch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhNzF-BLzk4
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: boonibarb on September 18, 2010, 02:49:43 PM
The Nest Tree is on a high cliff overlooking the beach & the water.
A ways to the left of this Tree is a tall dead tree that has a broken top.
It is a Tree that i often see an adult in.
Here is the adult in this tree, perched, & then they fly away.

july 25 2010 14:24 - Nest # 6/7 adult in waterside perch tree


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg4_WRPSUi8
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Tigerlady105 on September 18, 2010, 02:59:39 PM
Booni, thank you for posting these videos for us to watch and to listen to, also!  It's nice to be able to see and hear healthy eaglets doing what young ones do...screep, flap, screep... :biggrin6
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: boonibarb on September 18, 2010, 03:06:45 PM
july 25 2010 14:26 Nest #6/7 Eaglet on Nest Tree perch branch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j9F7CweBrA
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: boonibarb on September 18, 2010, 03:14:39 PM

This is the little fella that was chip-chipping at me the whole time.
i think he figured i was just too darned close to his territory!  :heart

july 25 2010 14:31 - Male White-Crowned Sparrow near Nest # 6/7


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9OTLITYHUM
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Tigerlady105 on September 18, 2010, 03:24:50 PM
Cute little fella, guarding his nest!   :ecsmile
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: winterwren on September 18, 2010, 04:47:47 PM
Oooh, so nice to see new videos now; I miss the eagles!

Listen to the adult calling on the second video Booni posted today. The one that says 14:03. At about the 14-second point, one of the parents is clearly heard. Doesn't it sound different? That's what I meant when I said they had an accent. The initial whistles are a bit different, then the trill, which, among the local eagles, is usually all descending notes, has about 3 notes that are the same, then it rises, then descends.

I like the look of the eaglet in the last video... He's got the wind at his back, and it ruffles his neck and head feathers, making him look like he has a crest.
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Thumper66 on September 18, 2010, 05:06:21 PM
You are right, Wren.  It is so nice to see eagles again and yes, they do sound different from Mom and Dad Hornby.  Mom and Dad are up there in years; do you think that age could make a difference in the tones? 

Anyway, thank you Booni.  It's so heavenly to see the eagles again.  Can't wait for the return to their nests. 
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: boonibarb on September 18, 2010, 06:08:49 PM

i must say, Thumper, that i am grinning from ear to ear seeing these eagles again too!
i am forced to sit down & examine my collection of fotos by the fact that i have to come up with a collection of fotos to enter into my Co op foto show!
So i am going thru all the albums of fotos that i haven*t had a chance to look at yet.
i*ll be going along & just see the corner of a wing feather & know right away that THIS IS AN EAGLET!!!
& the videos are a treat.
The next best thing to seeing them live.
i*ve already forgotten the fotos & videos i*ve taken, so each one is a great surprise!
Glad you are all enjoying the videos, in this dearth time of eagles, which will be ending soon!
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: winterwren on September 23, 2010, 11:24:40 PM
  (...) yes, they do sound different from Mom and Dad Hornby.  Mom and Dad are up there in years; do you think that age could make a difference in the tones? 


Actually, Thumper, I'm talking about a regional accent, not individual variations due to health or age. The eagles each have individual voices, but all the adult eagles of Hornby Island sound similar to my ear. The Denman Island birds sound a bit different at times. But this eagle, the adult on Booni's video, sounds waayyy different to me. It reminds me of a video someone posted months ago on the chat - I think it was about the Channel Island eagles. Their calls sounded completely different - different pitch, different rhythm - while still being unmistakably eagle calls.

Cali said it best when I first mentioned that eagle: "Cachunk, cachunk, y'all!"

 8) Wren
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Tigerlady105 on September 23, 2010, 11:37:00 PM
Different accents/dialects learned from a different neighborhood?  That's interesting, Wren.  I remember seeing something about that here in the forum at the time it was first brought up...probably by you or Booni   :eclove
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Thumper66 on September 24, 2010, 06:20:30 AM
Thank you Wren.  I had no idea that each eagle had it's own sound.  And to have different "accents" is amazing.  But, why should they differ from the humans in that respect?    Good to know.

Now...got a question, what about crows :question  To me, they all sound alike...caw, caw, caw.  But, I must admit, I haven't truly been listening until I joined this site.  Every bird I hear now gets my attention. 
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: maggiemoo on September 24, 2010, 07:46:10 AM
Thumper, I have lots of crows nesting near my home in the spring and they have a really varied vocabulary.  When I first started listening to them, I wasn't sure what I was hearing. Some of it was really soft and different, especially around egg laying time. Bluejays also have a lot of wonderful "words".  :eclove
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Thumper66 on September 24, 2010, 06:20:03 PM
Thanks, Maggiemoo.  Again, I had no idea they sounded differently.  I am going to have to be on my toes and listen carefully from now on.  I appreciate your response.
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Maria dB on September 25, 2010, 05:06:41 AM
If the eagles have accents, surely some one has done a paper or write up on it? I wonder if the Scottish Golden eagles have a strong Glaswegian accent or the softer Edinburgh  :eclol
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Tigerlady105 on September 25, 2010, 05:55:46 AM
We need recordings so that we can compare their accents!   :ecsmile   I believe that I read somewhere that birds of the same species learn their songs from listening to their parents and other similar birds.  We'll have to ask Ajl about it...
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Faerie Gardener on September 25, 2010, 08:11:47 AM
Yes, and I love how the babies "practice" in the spring.  We can hear them doing their "baby talk" repetitively til they get it right! :eclol
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: winterwren on September 25, 2010, 03:35:20 PM
Tigerlady: Ajl already asked me a stumper of a question... "Which of the other island eagles sound closest to Mom and Dad Hornby?" -- And I think her background thinking was exactly as you say, that eaglets learn their language from their parents, and that, given Mom and Dad Hornby's age, it's probable that some of their offspring have nests elsewhere on the island.

So now I really, really have to learn to listen!... And yes, taking audio-video clips is starting to make a lot of sense.

Maria: The Sibley Guide to Bird Life and Behavior (p. 125) mentions that Arctic Loons in Europe have recognizable individual calls. Why specifically Europe? I suspect that , quite simply, this is where the birds have been studied most intensively. I think it's likely that many birds have individual calls, and conceivably regional accents since the young imitate their parents, but nobody has sat down long enough to analyse the similarities and differences.

Let's open our ears!  :biggergrin2
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Maria dB on September 25, 2010, 04:43:46 PM
  :eclol Thanks Wren. iIwill see if my local library can get it for me if I can' find in on line.
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Tigerlady105 on September 25, 2010, 05:17:23 PM
Tigerlady: Ajl already asked me a stumper of a question... "Which of the other island eagles sound closest to Mom and Dad Hornby?" -- And I think her background thinking was exactly as you say, that eaglets learn their language from their parents, and that, given Mom and Dad Hornby's age, it's probable that some of their offspring have nests elsewhere on the island...

...So now I really, really have to learn to listen!... And yes, taking audio-video clips is starting to make a lot of sense.


Wren, it would be very interesting if you and Booni can find other eagles who sound like Mom and Dad Hornby, compared to other Hornby Island eagles!   :nod2

 :heart
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Blue Eyes on September 25, 2010, 05:21:31 PM
I have noticed how distinct Ma and Pa Hornby's vocalizations are. Since there is a three hour time difference I am always able to listen to them at daybreak nest time. Pa first calls from afar when Ma has spent the the night nest sitting. The calls and cahunkas are so mellow and when he arrives on the nest it reminds me of an ald married couple asking each other how their night was. Being a little long in the tooth myself I can fully understand Pa asking his beloved Ma if her joints are sore and if she is hungry. My husband often calls this the Sweedish chatter. We often go on and on about what they must be saying.

Later in the day and particularly if there is a threat their calls can be quite harsh. Of the nests i Have observed the Hornby's have been the most vocal. It could be because they are older? or more attuned to each other?



Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: AJL on September 26, 2010, 12:42:56 AM
I have noticed how distinct Ma and Pa Hornby's vocalizations are. Since there is a three hour time difference I am always able to listen to them at daybreak nest time. Pa first calls from afar when Ma has spent the the night nest sitting. The calls and cahunkas are so mellow and when he arrives on the nest it reminds me of an ald married couple asking each other how their night was. Being a little long in the tooth myself I can fully understand Pa asking his beloved Ma if her joints are sore and if she is hungry. My husband often calls this the Sweedish chatter. We often go on and on about what they must be saying.

Later in the day and particularly if there is a threat their calls can be quite harsh. Of the nests i Have observed the Hornby's have been the most vocal. It could be because they are older? or more attuned to each other?

Their favourite perching trees and fishing areas are not all that far from the nest; I feel that the excellent quality and placement of the microphone allows us to hear more both when they are on the nest and around the territory, than can be heard at other nests. When they are on the nest, the microphone allows us to hear nuances in their vocalizations that are not possible to hear on other webcams. We can even hear them void droppings.  :eclol

Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: emc on September 26, 2010, 09:56:24 AM
Welcome Blue Eyes to the forum.  Thank you for your input. Really interesting, I like how you and your husband describe it.  :eclove  I also love hearing their soft chatter to each other.  (although I am not up when the sun comes up. lol)
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Blue on September 26, 2010, 08:17:57 PM
Welcome, Blue Eyes.

Most birds make different sounds at different times of the year. You wouldn't recognize a Towhee, for instance, when it makes the familiar unpleasant sqawking sound from the pretty tune it sings earlier in the year. To identify birds by sounds means knowing the very different calls they make.
Title: Re: Nest # 6, 7 Savoie Farm
Post by: Thumper66 on September 26, 2010, 09:54:17 PM
Thanks everyone for your information on the vocalization of the birds.  I truly had no idea they sounded differently due to the variety of reasons you laid out.  I'm really going to have to listen from now on.  I enjoyed all of your stories.  Thanks you.