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Title: Doug's Updates
Post by: Mary Jane on November 09, 2009, 09:55:37 AM
Written by Doug Carrick - October 3, 2009

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Eagle Returns - on schedule! As Boonibarb reported, the eagle returned from migration in the late afternoon of October 2, just as it was supposed to do. It is amazing! They seem to have a built-in calendar.

They do most things on schedule (more or less - say, within a week or two), but the return from migration is uncanny in its precision, generally within a day or two, generally around October2. Today, at noon, Boonibarb knocked on our door. "Guess who is in the Babysitting Tree?" The eagle of course. It has now been sitting in the same perch for three hours. Not a sound has come from her - (nobody to talk to, yet). I think it is the female. Its head has an uncombed look.

As many of you know, it is only the adults that return from migration in early October. Throughout October, November and December hardly an immature eagle can be seen around Hornby Island. They are still following the salmon spawning until early February, then on to the herring spawn in March when we see the immatures once again in large numbers.


BOTH EAGLES BACK! At 5 pm the male eagle joined the female on the Babysitting Tree. While the female was perched on a branch fairly near the top of the tree, the male landed on the very tippy top of the tree. At 5:30 pm they are still in the same positions. Neither one has talked to the other. I have the mics up high on both cameras and haven't heard a sound so far.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Mary Jane on November 09, 2009, 09:57:03 AM
Written by Doug Carrick, October 11, 2009

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The male and female are both around again today, so all appears to be well.

I've been working on a theory which may help to identify which is the male and which is the female when it is difficult to identify them clearly. In the Peters' Tree, for example, they both perch on the same branch, but each has its own favourite spot on the branch. The female's spot is out further on the branch and the male's spot is in nearer the tree at the junction with another branch.

This morning at 10:30 I saw an eagle in the male's spot, and when I looked in the telescope, it was the male. It's easy to identify the male now. As well as the immaculately groomed head, he has a very noticeable white stripe down his chest. At 3:00 this afternoon I saw an eagle in the female's spot - and it was the female.

This could be a technique used to assist in the identification of eagles anywhere in the world. Study where they perch! I use a similar "behaviour method" to identify the two eagles in the nest. The one threatening to peck the other is the female (the mean one).

The above theory needs a lot more observations before becoming a dependable instrument of identification, but it has possibilities.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Mary Jane on November 09, 2009, 09:59:39 AM
Written by Doug Carrick - October 15, 2009

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We are seeing both eagles every day now, so our worries of a potential divorce seem to be over. I see them mostly in the Peters' Tree and the Babysitting Tree (the perches nearest their nest). I have also seen them in the Leaning Tree at Sandstone Point (their southern boundry) and today I saw the female in the His and Hers Tree at Grassy Point (their northern boundry).

The His and Hers Tree is a fir tree that half way up has split into two tops about 8 feet apart. Sometimes they perch in the separate tops - hence "His" and "Hers". I have never observed closely which exactly is "His" top and which is "Hers". Today, the female was perched in the northernmost top. But this is my first statistic. I need two observations to make it a law - is that scientific or what?

I threw a salmon head out on the beach this morning but they weren't interested. They must be getting plenty to eat. I'll save the halibut until Saint Valentine's Day.

They haven't once landed in the nest yet, which is normal. I consider October 18 the likely beginning of nest building, although last year I recorded a visitation from 6:30 pm until 7:00 pm (dark) on October 10 - "the male right in the nest and the female on top of the lower camera. Didn't adjust any branches, just looking it over."*****
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Mary Jane on November 09, 2009, 10:01:51 AM
Written by Doug Carrick - October 19, 2009

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EAGLES' FIRST VISIT TO THE NEST - At 6:15 pm the male eagle dropped into the nest for the first time this year. The female soon followed. They were digging into the bottom of the nest, getting dirty-faced in the process. They diddled around with a few twigs but no serious nest building. They stayed until 6:35 pm.

The theme of my studies this year seems to be the consistent habits of the eagles. I'm throwing out another as yet unproven theory - that the eagles first visit to the nest in October occurs in the early evening hours, just before dark. Here are the first visits in the last few years:

2009 October 19 - 6:15 pm to 6:35 pm

2008 October 10 - 6:30 pm to 7:00 pm

2007 October 16 - 6:20 pm to 6:35 pm
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Mary Jane on November 09, 2009, 10:02:54 AM
Written by Doug Carrick - October 21, 2009

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While telling Mary Jane about an article I have prepaired about "Hornby Island", I mentioned on the side how the two eagles have been much more active around the nest today and was about to say "but they haven't brought any new branches yet". Having another look at the TV cameras, I was taken aback. There was the mother of all branches lying across the nest - a new one. How they ever flew such a big branch to the nest, I don't know. I have never seen the two eagles flying one branch to the nest before and I am sure this wasn't the case now.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Mary Jane on November 09, 2009, 10:04:01 AM
Written by Doug Carrick - October 31, 2009

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The two eagles are constantly in the neighbourhood and often in the nest, now adding new branches. They are looking in good condition, ready for their 21st year of nesting - 18 eaglets in the previous 20 years.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Mary Jane on November 09, 2009, 10:05:11 AM
Written by Doug Carrick - November 3, 2009

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The time here is 11 am, November 3. One of the eagles was down at the water's edge eating something fairly substantial in size. After a time it stopped eating, washed off its beak and talons and flew away - the rare time I've seen an eagle leave a meal before it is completely consumed.

Being curious about what it was eating, I went down to the beach to check. Two ravens were now working it over, but flew away as I approached, then a gull, probably George, got in a bite or two. It was an octapus with tentacles about two feet long (four feet across from tip to tip) - something to think about when swimming in the summer. It was a reddish brown colour on top and white on the undersides. The circular suction cups ranged from very small near the tips to 3/4 inch across near its body.

The eagles are busy adding to their nest, a mixture of larger branches encircling the outside and smaller branches, green with needles, dropped into the middle. These smaller branches are left there for a week or two until the needles fall off - a soft lining to the nest.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Mary Jane on November 09, 2009, 10:20:01 AM
Written by Doug Carrick - November 8, 2009

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Danny (Raptorman) just left for the 10 am ferry, will be on Vancouver Island at 11 am and down to the Duke Point ferry just south of Nanaimo by 12:15 pm and right home again  sometime this evening. He was here for 6 days and it was a fun time, candle-light dinners, Boonibar, Dooki and all.

How lucky we were to have Danny to do this job. He is incredibly knowledgeable in this business of computers, transmission of live streaming and whatever is involved. Numerous problems came up but he methodically analysed each issue and solved it. He left here one evening with an unsolved problem, the light bulb went on sometime in the night and the next morning he made the correct adjustment. Danny has been valuable to us, beyond my words to express it.

In his enthusiasm for the eagles, like all the rest of us, he is only too pleased to help. I think his enthusiasm has increased by the awareness of what a fine group of people he is working with. Surely nothing but good can come out of this rare group of people.

Danny was looking forward to see these eagles in their surroundings and he wasn't disappointed. When the eagles were nowhere to be seen, I blasted out my three whistles and the eagles immediately appeared in the Peters' Tree. The eagles cooperated completely for the occasion. George and the Cormorants were generally sitting on the big rock. George is our gull (a longtime neighbour) and there are about 15 cormorants (3 larger double-crested cormorants with yellow bills and 12 smaller pelagic cormorants) . Danny is quite pleased to be getting to know the local trees, rocks and points. It has been a pleasure having him here and he wants to come back to Horanby next summer.

Danny has now done all he can do here and understands that Peter Braat can do the rest when he gets time to do so, hopefully in the next two or three days.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on December 10, 2009, 02:52:07 PM
SEA LIONS -   some of you have already heard the sea lions barking.  A few swim by in November, more in December, reaching a peak by the early March herring spawn.  Their numbers are related to the arrival of the herring, who also come in from the Pacific in November.  A Fisheries officer told me, "they follow the fish".

As the herring arrive they stay down deep in the Georgia Strait and so aren't noticeable.  In mid-winter I get reminders of their presence.  A long string of gulls can be seen a mile or two out in the water.  This is where the herring are.

Looking in my telescope, I can see more than gulls.  There are cormorants, loons, mergansers (fish eating duck), grebes and other diving birds.  Diving down, they frighten some of the herring to the surface where the gulls are waiting.  Circling above will be eagles - out to get their share.  This only happens once in a while, but any food is welcome.

Sea lions can get at these herring any time they want to, so they can spend many hours resting on beaches or rocks, or simply sleeping in the water.  When sleeping, they often lie on their sides with one flipper up in the air.  The head slips under water and then bobs up for a breath of air - all done automatically.  The head comes up on average every 30 seconds but sometimes as long as 45 seconds and sometime after only 15 seconds.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on December 10, 2009, 04:20:13 PM
Thank you for sharing this with us, Doug.  We are all learning so much about life on and around Hornby Island from you!  Natural history is one of my favorite interests so I really appreciate anything you tell us about.   :eclove
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: beans on December 10, 2009, 06:41:13 PM
Thanks Doug.  Thought I heard barking, but wasn't sure.  My neighbor's dog barks, too, and it can be confusing when watching the cam.  :ecwink
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Donnae on December 10, 2009, 11:25:12 PM
Thanks Doug, I really appreciate your reports. I was on the cam late at night last week. It was after I got home from work, after midnight here. So around 1 a.m. my time or later, 10 p.m. your time, and heard them. I was surprised to hear them late at night, but then again I'm not use to hearing those kinds of sounds!! It was really neat to hear.  :nod2

I really have to visit Hornby sometime in my life!!! I know I would love it!!!

Thanks again!!
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on December 11, 2009, 12:42:56 AM
Doug, thank you for your update. Yes, sealions can be extremely noisy.  I live near the south arm of the Fraser River. In the spring they are frequently seen up on stranded logs, basking in the sun and making a racket. Hornby Island has a diverse wildlife and I do appreciate you telling us what is happening.  You are a wonderful teacher and ambassador for the wildlife.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: passerine on December 13, 2009, 06:31:44 PM
Thanks Doug for the great play by plays :heart you tell it so well, a person can picture being there.

Earlier this year i stopped at Fanny Bay on Vancouver Island which isn't far from Buckley Bay where a person would catch ferries to get to Hornby Island.
A pictures of the sea lions relaxing on the log boom there. Hope it's okay i post them here?

(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5818/20090219okay0016.jpg)

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on December 14, 2009, 12:55:10 AM
What wonderful photos, Passerine.  Today, about 70 sea lions were at play just off our beach.  I've never seen them so playful - chasing each other, bumping into each other, jumping clear out of the water - ever so active.  More like dolphins.  Generally they just swim by; 20 feet along the surface, 20 feet under water, 20 feet up and so on.  And all the activity hasn't anything to do with mating - they are all males.  The female California sea lions (smaller black ones) stay at home down in California and the female Steller's sea lions (larger light brown ones, as in photos) stay at home just north of Vancouver Island.  Only the males come here for food.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on December 14, 2009, 09:26:06 AM
Doug, you have a never-ending source of pleasure right outside your home!!!  It must be exciting to be able to see so many different animals and birds there.  Thank you for sharing it with us...from a city girl who loves the natural world!   :heart

Do you see orcas and other whales where you are?

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: passerine on December 14, 2009, 09:37:34 AM
Thank-you Doug glad you like them :ecsmile. I would like to correct the information i posted with the pictures of sea lions.
They are at Fanny Bay not Union Bay, as Doug kindly pointed out. Fanny Bay is a couple miles south of Buckley Bay & Union Bay is about five miles north of Union Bay with no log booms.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on December 14, 2009, 12:42:26 PM
tigerlady asked if we ever see orcas or other whales here.  We used to have two or three visitations each summer by orcas (killer whales) but with the crash of the salmon in the Georgia Strait, there is hardly any reason for them to come here any more.  The orcas are centered in the southern Vancouver Island area between the Canadian Gulf Islands and the US Gulf Island, San Juan Island ... where there are salmon.  Now that the Grey Whales and Humpback Whales are recovering, we get the occasional visit from them - but not often.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on December 14, 2009, 05:23:51 PM
Thank you for answering my question, Doug.  I hope the salmon will come back for the well-being of all of the food chain and that they will thrive.  It's nice to be able to see the orcas and other whales close to home.  Maybe some day salmon will return to the area and you'll be able to enjoy seeing whales again.    :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on December 14, 2009, 07:39:58 PM
The salmon will keep diminishing so long as the fish farms are thriving in the straits (Broughton Archipelago) north of Hornby Island.  
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Raptorman on December 14, 2009, 07:49:38 PM
The salmon will keep diminishing so long as the fish farms are thriving in the straits (Broughton Archipelago) north of Hornby Island.  

I don't understand this. Can you explain why?
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on December 14, 2009, 08:00:14 PM
All of the salmon fry from the rivers up there (they are the ones that return to the Fraser River, which is a disaster this year) have to swim through the waters where the fish farms dot every bay and inlet.  They get infested with sea lice from the Atlantic farm salmon, which kills them, along with other pollutions.

Read some of Alexandra Morton's material here:

http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Raptorman on December 14, 2009, 08:09:15 PM
Thanks Blue.. Just one more thing to add to the long list:

Dams
PCBs and other chemicals
Logging
Seals & Sea Lyons
Sport fishing
Commercial fishing

etc, etc...

It's a wonder the salmon even exist at all anymore.  :sad
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on December 14, 2009, 09:15:00 PM
That is so sad.  I wish more could be done soon...before it's too late.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: luvthebirds on December 19, 2009, 11:20:19 PM
#$%$ $%&*  fish farms  :ecsad
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on December 30, 2009, 04:36:31 PM
DID "HOPE" RETURN TO NEST AREA? (I am writing this just for the record)

At 11:30 am on December 18, 2009, Raptor reported hearing the two eagles screaching and seeing a dark eagle chasing off a raven from the "Scraggly" Tree (located two thirds the way from the Nest Tree to the Peters' Tree).

AJL at 11:34 reported an eagle chasing off at least one raven from this same tree.

Boonibarb, at the same time saw it all and took photos of the action.
At 11:32 two ravens in the Scraggly Tree.  At 11:33 juvenile eagle approached Scraggly  Tree.  At 11:34 juvenile landed where two ravens were perched, chasing them off.  At 11:34:o5 the two parents chased off the juvenile.

A good number of the eagle people felt that it was "Hope" back from migration.  It looks like this may be true, but I still feel "unproven".

Two things might reinforce the view that it was Hope.  1. When first fledged, Hope used the Scraggly Tree quite frequently as a perch.  This is a tree never used by other eagles before.  We could almost call it Hope's Tree.  So when we see this juvenile use this tree, it makes you wonder.

2. The Norfolk Botanical Garden, Virginia, where radio tracking has been done for several years, reports, "After the juvenile eagle disperses from the nest area, it will continue to return to the nest periodically over the next few years".

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on December 30, 2009, 05:06:27 PM
RECORD EARLY MATING  (also written for the records)

On December 30, 2009 at 12:50 pm,  The female eagle flew from the nest to the Peters' Tree where the male eagle was perched.  No sooner did she land than the male hopped on her back - the earliest I have seen them mating yet.  Previously, they had occasionally mated on the last day or two of January.  Normally they mate in February and March until the first egg is laid (usually around March 25).  In 2008, when they did no nest building and laid no eggs (for the first time), they kept mating until April 10, to no avail - the latest date I have recorded.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on January 28, 2010, 11:35:08 AM
MALE, THE MAIN PROVIDER?

ajl and others have been observing over and over the male eagle bringing fish to the nest as a courtship gift to the female.  Perhaps related, I have often observed the female perched in the Babysitting tree (near the nest) while the male has been perched in the Peters' tree (near the sea).  If the male's job is to get fish, he should perch near the sea.  If you people keep records of who brings the fish, I'll try to watch more closely who is perching more often near the sea.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Crissy on January 31, 2010, 03:33:18 PM
ty ty ty for the updates Doug.  this is so exciting another year with M/P! :)
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on January 31, 2010, 09:01:59 PM
SHRIMP FISHING    One shrimp boat, the Pacific Rancher, is fishing in our area almost every day, storms excepted, and never on Sunday.  Today being Sunday, I thought it might be docked in the Comox boat harbour, so I went to investigate.  Sure enough, there it was, the Pacific Rancher.  

It is a good sized boat, solidly built of aluminum.  At the stern are its nets rolled up on a large reel.  The fisherman wasn't there but I talked to the fisherman in the next boat selling the salmon he had caught up north.  

The shrimpboat's owner is "Ledo" he told me.  And the area he fishes (just off Hornby) is commonly called "Ledo's Lane".  He's fished there for years.  There used to be a big black boat fishing there, I told him.  I liked its name - the "Love and Anarchy".

That boat was owned by Ledo also.  Ledo's father is the owner of "Portuguese Joe's Fish Market" in Comox.  Joe died a couple of years ago but Ledo's mother carries it on.

Ledo's boat, "Love and Anarchy" was sunk off the west coast of Vancouver Island a couple years ago - that's why you don't see it any more.  But Ledo is fishing again in the "Pacific Rancher" and he's back in his old territory.

I feel that Ledo and his shrimp boats are part of our neighbourhood just as our eagles are, just as George (the gull) and the cormorants are, just as the harlequins are and all the other creatures.  I'm sure our eagles feel the same way - always watching for by-catch discarded from Ledo's boats.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on January 31, 2010, 09:37:44 PM
I love to read your stories and accounts of things on and around Hornby, Doug.  You paint such real word pictures, I can see what you tell us in "my mind's eye."   :eclove
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Rajame on February 01, 2010, 09:02:03 AM
Doug,

Thank you!  This first hand account is so valuable and takes me from my life to Hornby visiting the island and Mom and Dad Hornby.  You are an excellent story teller.  We are blessed to be able to learn from you.

Hugs,
Rajame  :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on February 01, 2010, 11:49:31 AM
FEEDING HABITS BETWEEN MALE AND FEMALE EAGLES

In the past, when the male is perched in the Peters's Tree, and I throw a head out on the beach, not a move is made to fly down to get it.  Then, by his calls or by my whistle, the female lands beside him on the perch.  If they are not really hungry, they might sit there for half an hour watching the gulls pecking away at the fish.

When they do decide to fly down, it is always the female who makes the decision and goes first.  Then the male follows.  I always put out two offerings spread apart about four feet.  One for each, and spread apart so one cannot grab both in one swoop.  The female gets the first choice and often flies to the nest to eat it.  The male often flies along the beach to eat his.

It seems as if nature knows that for survival of the species (eagles anyway) that it is more important that the female is well fed.  Both male and female eagles seem to instinctively accept this code.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on February 02, 2010, 12:46:41 AM
That's interesting about the female feeding first, Doug.  Do you put out fish heads for them only when they don't seem to be finding food themselves?  How about the 'possums that we teasingly call 'Wilsons?'   Do you put out the 'possums you find as roadkill and/or are other Hornby residents doing it?   

We have so many questions!  Thank you for posting information and answering them here and in the chat room.  We're all very fortunate that you are so willing to help us learn and enjoy what we watch together on the cam.   :eclove
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on February 02, 2010, 04:50:09 PM
Tigerlady10,  When I put fish out, they sometimes don't bother about it for an hour or two.  I assume they are getting enough food on their own and don't put any more out for 4 or 5 days.  If they dive right down before I even get off the beach, I assume they are really hungry and will try again in 3 or 4 days.  I just don't know about the possums.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on February 02, 2010, 11:42:59 PM
Thank you for answering my question, Doug.  For quite some time, I thought maybe fishermen (women) were putting out the fish heads for the eagles.  It's nice to know that you do it and watch to see how they respond.   :eclove
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on February 04, 2010, 05:31:14 PM
THE "BIG FISH, LITTLE FISH" EXPERIMENT

I set up a little experiment, to show that both eagles intuitively know that Ma Eagle should have first priority on food - for the survival of the species.  Generally, when food is available, dad eagle allows mom to fly first to pick out what she wants.

Today, both were in the Peters's Tree and I placed two fish heads on the beach - one very large and one very small.  They must have been hungry because it wasn't long before the first eagle flew down.

But it was dad.  He wasn't supposed to go first!  Experiment ruined.

Oh, not really ruined.  He flew down and took the smaller piece.  That's OK, then.  Mom got the largest piece and dad chose it to be that way.
One way or another, mother comes first. 
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Cawatcher on February 04, 2010, 06:11:55 PM
 :biggrin3 Doug you are sooo funny! thank you for your experimentation. Ma ate that BIG fish ead fast!!
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on February 04, 2010, 06:12:54 PM
That's neat to hear that Dad chose the smaller piece.  Mom needs more food, she's larger, and does the larger percentage of taking care of the eggs, and chicks.  But since she's also larger, she could, if she wanted, demand her larger portion.  This experienced couple are so wonderful to watch and learn from.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on February 05, 2010, 02:15:07 AM
Doug, thanks for showing us how Mother Nature has built in instincts that support preservation of the species.  :nod2   Since eagles can be very aggressive about food, it's interesting that somehow Dad knows instinctively what to do and does it.  Amazing to watch!
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: woof947 on February 05, 2010, 07:17:43 AM
Thanks for sharing your observations Doug.  :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: kathyj on February 05, 2010, 03:17:33 PM
Bit of a catch up for me - lots to read.  Really great.  Thanks Doug for all your observations etc. 
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Donnae on February 05, 2010, 10:37:52 PM
yes thank you Doug for that experiment. It is great to know that they know exactly what to do to survive. Looking forward to another great season.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on February 06, 2010, 10:59:29 AM
A VARIATION OF "FOOD FOR FEMALES FIRST"

I had two smallish segments of fish thawed out and wanted to get rid of them (beginning to smell).  Feed them to the eagles.  I like to get the two of them in the Peters' Tree first.  The male was in the tree but not the female.  So I whistled ...  and whistled   ...  and whistled.   Still no female.

And then she flew from the Grassy Point area, past the Peters' Tree and inland to the Babysitting Tree.   Just not interested in food, it seemed.

I threw the fish out anyway to see if the male takes it, even if the female doesn't.  After the gulls had taken their nips at it, he flew down and took a piece.

So there are times, it seems, when the male takes the food without the female getting first choice.

But not so.  He then flew towards the nest and arrived just as she dropped down from the Babysitting Tree.  He dropped the fish into the nest and she ate it.  Once again, females first.

We may have to close down these cameras for moral reasons.  This is not a good example to expose our young males to. 
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on February 06, 2010, 11:41:15 AM
A VARIATION OF "FOOD FOR FEMALES FIRST"
  
...Once again, females first.

We may have to close down these cameras for moral reasons.  This is not a good example to expose our young males to.  

tsk tsk   :chuckle
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: dotwad on February 06, 2010, 11:45:33 AM
haha doug, more like good manners we might teach them, always females first.xxxx
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on February 06, 2010, 11:46:07 AM
Thankyou, Doug, for continuing your experiment on "females first".

Ah, but it is a good example for all to witness.   :eclol   Hmm... how many species let the female feed first?
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: cobbler39 on February 06, 2010, 11:56:25 AM
I just think Pa is very wise. :eclol
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Rajame on February 06, 2010, 11:58:51 AM
Thank you Doug for your observations... I am personally thankful for the many lessons the Hornby Eagles teach us.  And thankful that you are sharing.

As for the Woman First observation... all I can say is Dad knows his priorities!

Thank you again.  :heart

PS.  My first thought for males everywhere was, "Duh," but I thought better than to write that.   :mhihi
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on February 06, 2010, 10:00:18 PM
THE SHRIMP BOAT - THE PACIFIC RANCHER - OWNED BY LEDO VELOSA

Ledo leaves the Comox boat harbour at 6:30 each morning and returns to the wharf at 5 pm where he stays until 6 pm selling his shrimp.  He fishes in water 450 feet to 500 feet deep (sandy bottom) off our beach about 2 miles out.  He knows Grassy Point and the "Big Rock".

I asked if he ever gets prawns (larger than shrimp) and he said not many.  They are in shallower water where there are rock piles.  I stay well away from there - it wrecks the nets. 

I'm not sure just what rock piles are.  It could be numerous small mountain peaks and shoals sticking up through the sandy bottom or it could be masses of boulders dropping out of melting glaciers from 8,000 years ago - our "Big Rock" being one of the larger ones.

There is a "quota" system to control the number of shrimp caught?  "Yes, I'm allocated 200,000 pounds per year.  But the market has dropped right out out the shrimp fisheries (prices down)."

 I used to see 5 or 6 shrimp boats out there, now it's just you.  "I have a steady market, my mother's seafood store (Portuguese Joe's Fish Market).  The other boats have no market and have quit.  I stop fishing each day when I have about 500 pounds - all that we can sell."

The eagles fly out to your boat, I assume for by-catch.  "There really is not much by-catch.  There are "fish grates" on our nets that keep out most fish larger than shrimp.    But there are a few sculpins, bullheads, shiners and a rare sole or small rock fish.  That's what the eagles are after." 
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: luvthebirds on February 06, 2010, 11:35:22 PM
I bet that our dear Dad Hornby also knows how to say "Yes, Dear"!  :biggrin3
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Raptorman on February 07, 2010, 12:33:06 AM
Doug,
When I worked on fishing boats the seaguls seemed to instinctively know whenever I was cutting bait or cleaning fish. Sometimes hundreds of them would show up.
I noticed that you mentioned the eagles allowed the gulls to peck at the fish heads before the eagles took them. I've been told that the eagles don't have much or any sense of smell. I'm wondering if the gulls do? And if maybe the eagles rely on the gulls to find food.
I'm also curious about the interaction between the gulls and the eagles when they are not on the beach. Do the eagles take the food from the gulls when they are near the fishing boat? And have you seen the seagulls team up in groups of a half dozen or so and attack the eagles from above and behind like the crows sometimes do?
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on February 16, 2010, 10:33:14 AM
HERRING SPAWN COMING - due on first week of March

This morning I spotted our eagles and neighbouring eagles flying out a mile or so and back again.  Hunting for herring?  In the telescope I could see long lines of seabirds floating on the water - mainly Pacific loons, cormorants, merganzers - diving down for the herring below.  Many gulls were waiting to steal whatever they could.

The eagles were on reconnassance patrol.  None dove down to try a theft job.  Probably watching for a herring ball to make their effort worth while.  A herring ball is a great boiling up of herring, when chased to the surface by fish, seals or sea lions chasing them from below.   

The massive schools of herring come closer in each day until early March when the spawn takes place, attaching millions of eggs ot the seaweeds close to shore.  Not far away now.

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on February 16, 2010, 07:12:43 PM
Somewhere around 5 pm 18 eagles and thousands of gulls were picking herring from the water a mile or two out.  I've always felt the herring run is the kickstart energizing the breeding season.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on February 22, 2010, 10:48:38 AM
MATING, THIS SEASON TO DATE

Dec 31, 2009              Love Tree            (earliest observation by far)
Last day or two of Jan           (has happened before, but not this year)

Feb 1, 2010     2:25 pm    Peters' Tree
Feb 11            4:09 pm     Love Tree
Feb 12           10:02 am    Peters' Tree
Feb 17             3:50 pm    Love Tree
Feb 20             5:43 pm    Peters' Tree
Feb 22             9:45 am    Peters' Tree

These are observations I have made, but the eagles would have mated many more times than that.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: AJL on February 22, 2010, 12:21:42 PM
I heard that last one.  :eclol

The Hornbys' Ode to Joy:
http://www.wildearth.tv/web/dch-hornby-01?streamId=dch-hornby-01%2F2010%2F02%2F22%2F2010-02-22-09-35_dch-hornby-01.flv&bspId=64966&start=558
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Rajame on February 22, 2010, 12:53:24 PM
Thinking and pondering how glad I am not to be a herring!!  :ecnono
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: passerine on February 22, 2010, 06:01:32 PM
Do some Robins over winter on Hornby?
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on February 22, 2010, 09:51:25 PM
Yes.  Robins all year round.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on March 02, 2010, 11:38:43 AM
HERRING SPAWNING AT GRASSY POINT, HORNBY ISLAND

1991 - Mar 13         
1992 - Mar 13
1993 - Mar 1
1994 - Mar 9,10, & 11
1995 - Mar 11
1996 - Mar 11,12, & 13  (best in several years)
1997 - Mar 13, & 14
1998 - Mar 7,8,9, & 10   (el Nino - very mild winter)
1999 - Mar 5, 6, & 7      (3 or 4 killer whales feeding on herring)
2000 -  no record
2001 - Mar 6, 7, & 8
2002 - No spawn on Hornby - further south, Bowser to Parksville
2003 - Mar 15 & 16   record biomass (150,000 tons - downhill since)
2004 - Mar 9, 10, & 11
2005 - Mar 1,2,  4, & 5   (outstanding spawn)
2006 - Mar 6, 7, & 8
2007 - Mar 8, 9, &10
2008 - No spawn here   (eagles didn't even lay eggs that year)
2009 - Mar 21, 22, 23, - 25, & 26  (latest ever - coldest winter)
2010 - Mar 1    may be more to come    (el Nino -  mild winter)

AVERAGE FIRST DAY OF SPAWNING  -  Mar 8th
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: madrona on March 05, 2010, 10:39:11 PM
THE SHRIMP BOAT - THE PACIFIC RANCHER - OWNED BY LEDO VELOSA

Ledo leaves the Comox boat harbour at 6:30 each morning and returns to the wharf at 5 pm where he stays until 6 pm selling his shrimp.  He fishes in water 450 feet to 500 feet deep (sandy bottom) off our beach about 2 miles out.  He knows Grassy Point and the "Big Rock".
 

I was in Comox this afternoon and managed to catch the Pacific Rancher tied up.  I think you said in the chatroom that you missed him yesterday Doug.

(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/takecare_2007/PacificRancher.jpg)

Closer view below:
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/takecare_2007/PacificRancherCU.jpg)

I thought you'd like to see this view of Hornby too, taken from Goose Spit at Comox.  It's not the familiar view of Hornby that many of us are familiar with, taken from the other side.  On this photo (Hornby with its distinctive shape in the background, Denman closer) we can almost see your house and the nest.    :ecsmile

(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/takecare_2007/HornbyfromGooseSpit-Comox.jpg)
It was a glorious day - skies almost cloudless and sea calm.  Warm and sunny - some people wearing shorts!
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Rajame on March 06, 2010, 12:25:22 AM
Thank you Madrona.  I love your perspective(s).

Hugs,
Rajame  :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on March 06, 2010, 01:12:20 PM
Great picture Madrona.  That is the shrimp boat I see almost every week day.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on March 06, 2010, 02:32:35 PM
Doug,

Did you know that the Pacific Rancher was for sale in 2002 for $390,000?

Here is a link:

http://www.newcastleboatbrokers.com/Pacific%20Rancher%20L.htm
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on March 06, 2010, 06:11:41 PM
That was really interesting Blue.  For sale for $390,000!  You would have to catch a lot of shrimp to pay for that.  You could buy a moderate sized house for that.  Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Raptorman on March 06, 2010, 07:05:42 PM
Most of the fisheries have put moratorums on the commercial licenses. The license often goes with the boat. (I'm not sure, but I think in BC the license has to stay with the boat.)
Because there's a limited number of licenses, they are very expensive. I think the Puget Sound commercial shrimp/shellfish licenses go for around $150,000.00. Then, (in Washington and Oregon) there's an annual fee that goes to the fisheries for a second permit that has to be renewed each year. It would be interesting to know how much the boat cost and how much the license cost.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on March 07, 2010, 11:09:40 AM
NOTE:

Posts about technical problems have been split out of this thread and moved to Request Technical Help Here -

http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=3.175
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: madrona on March 09, 2010, 05:00:04 PM
The herring fishery is now closed in the Strait of Georgia, according to an article today in the Times Colonist http://www.timescolonist.com/news/todays-paper/Herring+fishermen+major+catch+Island/2660415/story.html    Here is part of the article:

Quote
"That had to be the most excellent herring fishery I was fortunate enough to participate in over the past 30 years," said Paul Kershaw, president of the Nanaimo-based Gillnetters Association.

Kershaw was among the fishermen who reached their quota in just two days.

"There were so many big fish and it's probably the fastest that we've ever reached our quota," he said. "There was a large biomass of big fish, the weather was perfect and I was able to fish with my family close to home."

Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/todays-paper/Herring+fishermen+major+catch+Island/2660415/story.html#ixzz0hjNg6ECJ
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on March 09, 2010, 05:49:00 PM
A colleague In the UK recently forwarded an email from a correspondent in Norway.  Harald wrote: "The herring fishing is ended with the best fishing year in history  in Norway,"
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on March 17, 2010, 10:47:01 AM
EAGLES TEND TO LAY THEIR EGGS IN LATE AFTERNOON
        (First studied and posted March 16, 2009)

This morning (last year) I was thinking of the first time I had ever seen an eagle lay an egg.  I was on March 30, 2005, the first year I had the camera up the tree.  We were having afternoon tea around 4:30 pm.  Soon after, my wife, Sheila, watching the eagle, had a feeling it was about to lay an egg.  I immediately began the tape recorder and got an excellent picture.  This occurred about 5 pm.

Thinking back on this, I began to wonder if this was a typical time for egg laying.  So I collected some more information.

HORNBY ISLAND - 2005                          REDDING, CAL - 2009
1st egg - Mar 30 - 5:00 pm                      1st egg - Feb 6 - 5:17 pm
                                                            2nd egg - Feb 9 - 6:00 pm

HORNBY ISLAND - 2006                          KENT, WASH - 2007
1st egg - Mar 21 - 5:45 pm                      1st egg Mar 23 - 4:21 pm
2nd egg - March 25 - 6:15 pm                  2nd egg - Mar 26 - 4:05 pm

SAANICH - 2009
1st egg - Mar 1 - 5:08 pm
2nd egg - March 4 - ?

Wow, This is not likely to be a coincidence.  Eagles do tend to lay their eggs in late afternoon.  But it is based on 8 observations only, so I did more research.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on March 17, 2010, 11:11:17 AM
MORE EVIDENCE

On expressing the need for more evidence, terrytvgal pointed out that JudyB had egg-laying information on nests from all over North America.  Sixteen of these observvations included the time of egg-laying -so I combined them with my 8 observations to make the following table:

8 observations were down the middle - between 5:00 pm and 6:00 pm
6 observations were one hour earlier - between 4:00 pm and 5:00pm
5 observations were half an hour later - between 6:00 and 6:30 pm

So 19 of the 24 observations [above] were certainly within the late afternoon category - between 4:00 pm and 6:30 pm.

Two more observations were not far off (3:30 pm and 7:50 pm)
And three more were just a little further off (2:20 pm, 2:20 pm and 12:10 pm)

The median time of egg-laying was at 5:10 pm

Thank you JudyB for providing much of the information, making this study possible and thank you Nightowl for retrieving this information from the Hancock Wildlife Forum.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on March 17, 2010, 11:16:00 AM
Thanks for posting the egg-laying information, Doug. Your sample size is growing...looks interesting.  We all want to be able to see her lay the eggs, and chances seem to be good that we will, based on your list.    :nod2
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Rajame on March 17, 2010, 08:51:25 PM
Great information Doug!

As always timely and thorough.

Hugs,
Rajame  :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on March 21, 2010, 02:56:44 PM
Showing of Video - Sunday, March 21, 2010

Doug posted in the chat room that he will show the newest video he made -  about Helliwell Park on Hornby Island - today at 5:00 PM (PDT) - nest time- unless the eagles are doing something that we'll want to watch.   :eclove

Please be sure to arrive at the Hornby Eagles live cam early so you won't miss any of this wonderful opportunity to learn more about the wildlife and features of Hornby Island that make up our eagles' habitat.  

We've seen the herring spawn (eggs), beautiful sunrises, many sea birds and eagles fishing for herring and eggs, waves crashing on the shore near the nest and Doug and Sheila's home, the Big Rock and logs in stormy water, sea lions, snow-capped mountains, and other intriguing things!!!    :binocs

Hope you'll be there before 5:00 PM today... It's always a treat to watch Doug's videos!  :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on March 28, 2010, 11:09:59 PM
THE SHARING OF EGG-SITTING
(A study based on Research Observations made from March 21 to March 28, 2010 - the first 8 days with eggs)

1.  Dad did an average of 6 hours egg-sitting a day.

2.  This is done in the 3 or 4 shifts he does a day.

3.  Dad's 6 hours a day is 50% of the current daylight hours.

4.  Mom does the remaining daylight hours plus the total night shift -  three quarters of the total day.

5.  The length of dad's shifts varies from 15 min to 3 1/2 hrs.

6.  The spacing and lengths of shifts appear to be random - probably resulting from their conversations, indicating hunger, boredom etc.

7.  The closest thing to being regular is the time of the first morning shift - currently about 6:50 am and generally not too far off.


This is a quick study, which might at least indicate where more accurate studies could be done.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on March 29, 2010, 09:29:08 AM
IMPORTANCE OF DATA COLLECTION

When we first built on Hornby Island, my sister sent me a "Nature Dairy" in which I recorded all details on eagles and other things.  One of the first observations was about the eagles returning from migration, on October 2.  The following year I went to record the eagle's return and it was on the same date.  The years passed by and information accumulates.  Bit by bit, patterns of recurring behaviour reveal themselves.  Knowledge consists of organizing a mass of facts into patterns and generalisations.

But you can't move on without having the facts in the first place.  That is why a dairy or a set of Research Observations are so important.  My little study (above) was totally dependent on the mass of information meticulously recorded over that period.  This was mainly done by ajl, Nancy M and madrona.  Thank you so much.   
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on March 29, 2010, 06:06:35 PM
Doug, thank you for sharing your data with us. The emerging patterns are very interesting and helpful in adding to the body of scientific observations and  information about bald eagle behavior.  I feel very fortunate to be able to watch the eagles with you and the friends we are making in the chat room and forum.   :eclove

It certainly shows that not all that has been published/believed about bald eagles is valid. 
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on April 19, 2010, 05:15:24 PM
Like 'emc', why didn't I think to look in the seeks when I read Doug had shown another video  :doh    I had to look at my map of BC to refresh my mind as to its exact location.

http://www.discoveryislands.ca/cortes_island/index.html

In the left hand side bar scroll down to 'Visitor Info'. Then click on 'map' and also 'How to get here' (which shows location better). Campbell River is on the island and north of Hornby Island.  I doubt that Doug and Sheila did this as a 'day trip'.

Thanks Doug.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on May 01, 2010, 09:05:54 AM
Doug was interviewed on Friday by Ian Jones for "The Mapleleaf Mailbag" on CBC RADIO. This interview should be available (archived) online at www.rcinet.ca after the broadcast on Sunday afternoon.

http://www.rcinet.ca/english/program/the-maple-leaf-mailbag/home/
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: passerine on May 01, 2010, 03:06:43 PM
Been checking in daily since the camera went back on line. Doug today as in a few other times I've noticed mom &/or dad make a whistling type sound. As they know your whistle I'm wondering if they are mimicking you. I've never heard your whistle so don't know if it's a sound they make or if it's from you?

I had a call for my Ravens & when i made the horrible imitation sound of me trying to copy them, they would come by if in ear shot. It got to the point where they copied/mimicked me copying them. Ravens have a complex language not sure if the eagles also do or if they mimic?

Also noticed today Phoenix making more than one note/tone/cheep.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Cawatcher on May 02, 2010, 11:37:42 AM
 :biggrin6 Doug  You have brought so much entertaiment and knowledge to the world! This is a quote from a teacher!
 (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4571751546_0c8a006d25_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: boonibarb on May 02, 2010, 12:38:48 PM
may 2 2010 09:40 - Doug Carrick interviewed on CBC Newsworld

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9aRBgYwXf8
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: luvthebirds on May 02, 2010, 01:12:54 PM
What an absolutely wonderful interview (typing as wiping tears--the good kind--from eyes)!!!  And to see little Phoenix taking center stage in the TV screen leaves me with nothing to say but, once again, THANK YOU, Doug!!!!! :eclove

And Booni, thank you for making and sharing the YouTube video.  :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Donnae on May 02, 2010, 01:54:33 PM
WOW, Doug, great interview ( as always) and Luv did say it all. So nice to see Phoenix on the tv screen for all the world to see. Thanks Booni also for recording this for us. Makes me  :biggrin3 from ear to ear!!!!
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on May 03, 2010, 04:04:57 AM
Wow!  That's the first thought that came to mind when I saw and listened to your wonderful interview that was on the radio Sunday, Doug!  Little Phoenix is a real star.  She stood up in front of the camera so well and watching her being fed was very compelling...   :clap  Have you secretly been giving her lessons?!   :chuckle

Your warmth and love for the eagles came across very clearly...I was smiling with you the whole time.   :nod2
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on May 08, 2010, 11:17:38 AM
Today, Sat. May 8, at 4:00 PM nest time (PDT), Doug and Boonibarb will wave white things from Doug's house and the Blue Roof house.  Be sure to watch on the cam!    :chuckle
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Biff on May 08, 2010, 12:06:28 PM
Just want to thank you for this site. Got the address from a friend's email about 3 weeks ago, and have been watching it daily, actually many times daily! I've forwarded this address on to several people on my email list, particularly the ones with younger kids. This is fascinating. I find the information you and others disseminate very informative which compliments the video cam very well. Thank you again. Biff
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on May 08, 2010, 03:28:13 PM
Thanks for telling us, Tigerlady. 
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: baysis on May 08, 2010, 03:31:19 PM
Good to see you, Biff & welcome to the Hornby Eagles! :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on May 09, 2010, 03:37:59 PM
Today, Sat. May 8, at 4:00 PM nest time (PDT), Doug and Boonibarb will wave white things from Doug's house and the Blue Roof house.  Be sure to watch on the cam!    :chuckle

In the segment the waves were preceded by Phoenix aiming over the nest; and post waves with Phoenix having a nap.     Doug and Boonibarb Waving to Us  (http://www.wildearth.tv/web/dch-hornby-01?streamId=dch-hornby-01%2F2010%2F05%2F08%2F2010-05-08-15-55_dch-hornby-01.flv&bspId=82403&start=205)

Thanks Doug and Booni
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: dancer1265 on May 09, 2010, 04:59:30 PM
 :biggrin6  This is amazing... I just started watching this today... I have been watching other eagles and eaglets on another site... now I have two new favorite places to watch these beautiful birds....  THANK YOU so much for this.... I showed it to my daughter and she was fascinated.. I will definitely keep watching and it will be neat to see the little one grow up...
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on May 17, 2010, 12:51:29 PM
CLOSE-UP CAMERA OR WIDE-ANGLE CAMERA?

The best thing would be to have both cameras working, so the viewer could select which camera to watch.  The problem is that the enhanced high speed line serving our house is not sufficient to transmit two sets of camera signals at once.  Raptor thought up the idea of having both cameras available but transmit only one at a time - and he devised a simple switching system of showing one camera or the other.

The close-up camera is just wonderful in showing the intimate relations between parents and chick (during feeding, tucking it in) and in an examination of the type of fish brought to the nest.  The wide-angle camera is best when the chick is out of the close-up focus, hidden by the parent, or when both parents are on the edge of the nest or one sitting on the camera box.  The wide angle camera will also be best in the future when the chick is exercising its wings, jumping around the nest, out on the branches and if we are lucky, taking its first flight.

If I am here watching both cameras, I can pick out the best picture and change it accordingly.  However, if I am not here, the screen may well be left on one of the cameras which is not the best.  But I cannot and do not choose to be sitting here all day long - so often things are not set the best way.

Nevertheless, I think that it is fortunate that we have both cameras which can provide the best pictures, at least some of the time.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: birdvoyer on May 17, 2010, 01:06:26 PM
If Phoenix figures out just where to aim anytime soon, this may be a moot point  :chuckle

Seriously, I think that considering all of the elements that we are dealing with, raptorman has done an awesome job of giving us the best options. And Doug, we certainly thoroughly appreciate the time that you devote to the command center already. This may be our whole lives  :ecrolleyes but can understand that you chose to have other interests. You have had the good fortune of watching these two for many years. We understand and will try to help others understand our minimal limitations. Having two individual cams at one time doesn't even cross my mind most days. You are doing great with your timing and selection of view.
  :nod2
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on May 17, 2010, 01:33:39 PM
Doug,

We are so grateful that you are there to change from CU to WA as often as you do!  Thankyou!

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on May 17, 2010, 02:02:53 PM
Doug, either view shows us what Mum, Dad and Phoenix are doing.  You and Sheila have a busy life and should be 'out and about' as you need / wish to be; not home 24/7.  Like so many here, I am extremely grateful that we are able to watch the nest and its occupants.  :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Roanna on May 17, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
Hi Doug!

Closeup or wideangle, you always have the right view as far as I am concerned.  I personally love it when the view changes, I know that's you in your livingroom changing the view for all of us.  It just makes me so happy being able to watch this nest, so thank you from the bottom of my heart for all that you do.


 :eclove
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on May 17, 2010, 02:13:30 PM
Doug, as much as we like to watch the eagles, we know that you and Sheila have other things you need and want to do.  Thank you for letting us have this wonderful window to look through and see how these particular eagles go about their daily lives.  Both cams have their strong points and I'm glad that Raptor was able to make it easy for you to switch them when you have time to watch and choose the best one.

Right now, I like seeing the CU cam so we can be 'in' the nest, but the WA  cam is great for getting the overall picture of the adults flying in and out, where the tide is, and watching your lights flash on and off.   :eclol

Many thanks!!!    I hope you'll read the delightful true story that one of our chat room friends and a new forum member just posted about her little boy and Phoenix.    Age apparently isn't important for being able to reach people...young and old.   :eclove

http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=95.0
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on May 17, 2010, 02:15:41 PM
What a great system!  Many thanks to Raptorman for setting up the switch!  I love both views - the whole experience is just wonderful.  Thank you, Doug!
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Roanna on May 17, 2010, 03:52:18 PM
I forgot something in my earlier post, I meant to mention, Doug, that I particularly enjoyed it when suddenly the picture changed to what I realized was an octopus tentacle!  I thought that was so cool, and I did wish that you had said something about what we were looking at and maybe put down a coin or something for scale.  I always love it when you talk to us in videos, it adds to the experience and I always enjoy the obvious love in your voice.

Thank you again and again!

Roanna
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on May 17, 2010, 05:02:40 PM
The Close-up/Wide-angle posting I made above was in no way meant to be a complaint.  I am more than happy with everything.  It was simply meant to be an explanation.  In the chat there are occasional questions of why the camera is on WA when the CU would be better.  Such comments are usually made by newcomers who are genuinely puzzled.  I was simply trying to clarify the situation for them - no more than that.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Arizonafan on May 17, 2010, 06:07:16 PM
Hi Doug & Sheila.  This is a first time post for me but just wanted to thank you for this incredible experience.  this is my second year viewing.   By the way, did you get your dahlias planted?    :ecwink  Thanks so much and best wishes to you and Sheila.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on May 17, 2010, 08:59:10 PM
Arizonafan,  I'll answer you in the section just below, "Doug's updates" - that is, in "Discussions from Chat" - more suitable for discussing dahlias.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Chipadee on May 21, 2010, 09:27:26 PM
Doug:  Both cams are awesome.  :thumbsup We are so fortunate to have either one of them, thanks to you and Sheila.  Seeing into the lives of our beloved Hornby's again is beyond words. :eclove

Tigerlady105:  Thanks for posting the link to Batgirl's story.  Absolutely loved it. :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on May 22, 2010, 01:59:48 AM
Doug:  Both cams are awesome.  :thumbsup We are so fortunate to have either one of them, thanks to you and Sheila.  Seeing into the lives of our beloved Hornby's again is beyond words. :eclove

Tigerlady105:  Thanks for posting the link to Batgirl's story.  Absolutely loved it. :heart

Chipadee, I loved Batgirl's story, too.  Did you see her follow-ups?  

I told my mother about Lil Bat and what an imagination he has.  She said that she thought he must be very bright and that he is lucky to have such wonderful parents!   :eclove
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Powder River Rose on May 22, 2010, 06:34:50 PM
I am new to your forum and must say thank you for the webcam; I have been checking in daily since I found your site last week.  I was going to ask a question about the camera but read behind and found my answer.  I was worried that something awful had happened and hearing a chainsaw in the background made it even worse.  Thanks for all the information and the opportunity to view the eagles.

PRRose
Florence, OR
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: passerine on May 22, 2010, 07:50:18 PM
Glad you found the webcam, it is pretty amazing. Any other questions ask away someone should know the answer. :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on June 14, 2010, 12:13:09 AM
Doug will show the wonderful video again that Sheila and he made of the very low tide on Hornby Island on Sunday, June 13, 2010.   :eclove

The encore showing will take place on Monday, June 14 at 7 PM Pacific Daylight Time  (nest time).

Midshipman

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4016/4698839515_c5d31d8d07_m.jpg)
©2010 Doug Carrick
All Rights Reserved


Please join us on your computer online at the Hornby cam and see some of the wonderful marine life and other features just a short way from the Carricks' Hornby Island home and the nest. Among the 'stars' of the show are Midshipmen and their eggs, a sea star, other sea-dwelling creatures, different kinds of seaweed, the Dinner Rock and the Big Rock.  

Bring your own popcorn, beverages and other treats and come early to "get a good seat!!!"    :eclol
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on June 14, 2010, 01:01:36 AM
Hi Tigerlady, thanks for the heads up. I'll be there.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 17, 2010, 06:51:38 PM
DONATIONS:   Although I feel it is best if donations are made to the eagle organization, HEG (Hornby Eagle Group) a few donations have been mailed to me.  Without identifying the individuals, I am listing the amounts and places it came from so the contributors will recognize their funds are accounted for:

May 14,  $50 Washington State
May 15   $20 PEI
May 15   $5  BC
May 19   $100   Ontario
June 8    $100   Ontario
June 14  $25   BC

Total      $300

Today I got the bill from the tree-climbers for repairing the connections for the Wide-angled camera.  It came to $304.50.  I have applied the above donations towards the tree-climbers' bill along with my own very generous donation of $4.50.

In effect, the above people have financed the recovery of the upper camera.  Thank you very much.  We all appreciate having that camera functioning again.

Many many donations have been made to HEG directly.  These will largely be going towards the changeovers to the camera system set up in September and the costs of installation.  We will inform you as precisely as possible what these costs will be.  Thanks very much for those donations also.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: birdvoyer on June 18, 2010, 04:52:41 AM
Thank you Doug for that detailed information and thanks to those who made the donations. The monies worked out perfectly for the repair costs. It is so nice to have the WA cam back.  :eclove
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on June 18, 2010, 12:44:04 PM
Doug, it's so nice to see how generous the donors are and amazing how it worked out very close to the actual costs.   :ecsmile

People appreciate knowing how the money is spent and the posts about it will be very welcome. Thanks to you and Sheila for doing so much to make this whole Hornby eagles experience wonderful!
 :eclove
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on June 20, 2010, 06:15:23 PM
Short video by Doug at 6:30 PM today (Sunday)  Pacific Time!   :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 29, 2010, 06:30:20 PM
QUALICUM WIND:   On the evening of June 28,  people on the chat were worried about the gusting winds on the nest, worried that Phoenix would be blown out.  I hadn't noticed any wind and looked out on our deck.  The air was still and the water was very calm.  I reported this on the chat but could tell that no-one, absolutely no-one, believed me.

At the Co-op Store the next day the first person I met asked "How did you like the storm last night?"   Storm?   It was a Qualicum wind, blowing directly across from Vancouver Island (from the town of Qualicum, on Vancouver Island).  Normally the winds blow up and down the Georgia Strait, not cross-ways.

Last night, this Qualicum wind blew across Hornby Island, over the tops of the tall trees, well over the top of our house and didn't touch down until about a mile out at sea.  Thus we were on the lee-side and totally unaware of what was going on.

After leaving the Co-op Store we walked Helliwell Park with our friends visiting from Victoria.  When we reached the other side of the park, a wind was blowing directly from Vancouver Island.  While explaining to our friends that this was probably the Qualicum wind carrying on, another person walking near us confirmed that this was in fact a Qualicum wind.  He was a tug boat captain  and knew the waters, currents and winds of this area.  So there you are.  It was a Qualicum wind which the eagles felt up in their nest and which we were unaware of down below.  Whatever, the eagles survived quite well, to all of our relief.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on July 16, 2010, 04:17:26 PM
Doug posted in the chat room:


dougcarrick: (15:55) I have had a report from Maj Birch of Mountainaire Avian Rescue about her check up on the condition of Phoenix. First of all, Phoenix is getting treated as an international celebrity. Phoenix has now been sent to Vancouver (by special helicopter) and has been met in person by the head Provincial animal pathologist who will handle the necropsy herself to determine cause of death. Maj has been overwhelmed by the response of people around the world. She has never experienced anything like it. Her report will be made to ajl who will make it know when it is received. Later, another report will be made by the provincial animal pathologist.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Mountain-gal on July 16, 2010, 04:24:45 PM
Thank you Nancy & Doug....nice update of our Baby. :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on July 16, 2010, 06:57:09 PM
Thank you Doug and Nancy for the update.  Phoenix did 'fly high' as some members wished.  :eclove
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Kristy on July 16, 2010, 09:33:05 PM
Thank you so very much for the update!
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Cotton on July 16, 2010, 09:44:08 PM
Thank you for the update.

Just so you know, I had not been over since this morning (EDT) but found the update on a message board I visit regularly.
It's a music message board - visited by people from all over the states, Canada, as well as several fans from other countries - Brazil, Korea and more.
Not related to birds or nature at all (we do talk about EVERYTHING!), but Phoenix reports were posted often and, of course, Phoenix won many hearts.

Love to all,

Cotton
(AllCotton)
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on July 17, 2010, 04:48:20 AM
Posted by ANEWS Vancouver - footage shows the helicopter, and interview with Maj Birch of MARS, and telephone interview with Doug


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDWnXY3IXdQ
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on July 17, 2010, 05:31:16 AM
Nancy, thank you for the well done ANEWS report. Maj is such a lovely and caring person.

Hopefully there will be an upside to Pheonix's death. As well as the general public sending financial support for MARS; it would be nice to see the BC Provincial Government reverse their decision re funding the Society.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Bairbre on July 17, 2010, 05:48:42 AM
Thank you very much for posting this Nancy, I was hoping someone would.  It has not been shown here in Toronto, although previous newsclips have.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Cotton on July 17, 2010, 06:09:29 AM
Good morning.

I watched the youtube of the report.

I don't understand, however, why they showed only video of "hatchling" Phoenix and never showed the big, beautiful, nearly-ready-to-fledge Phoenix he had become.

If you hadn't been following the nest cam, you would think the eaglet died at only a fews weeks.

I don't like misleading news.

JMO.
Cotton
(AllCotton)
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: kathyj on July 17, 2010, 06:13:54 AM
Thank you Nancy for posting the newclip.  Did I hear right that Maj said that they found Phoenix had a unusually large "parasite load"?
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: barberella on July 17, 2010, 06:33:57 AM
Cotton, I also kept waiting to see a pic of our young adult Phoenix.  :sad

Other than that it was a nice news clip, and will not only hopefully help raise awareness for the plight of eagles, but also bunches of money for MARS.

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Anne on July 17, 2010, 07:30:42 AM
Cotton. I agree. The news only has so much time. They work with what they have. Should have stated that Phoenix was 76 days of age. What was her size as compared to the parents?  So far it was the best news clip produced and appears they had to travel. The media do not watch the cam so have to be informed and caught up to speed and at the same time make it interesting.Who. What. When. Where. Why. And How.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: MystCat on July 17, 2010, 08:20:29 AM
The newscast did mention that viewers had been watching Phoenix's progress for 11 weeks--so, hopefully, people will clue in on that. 

It is heartening that some good has come out of this:  to hear of donations and the support for the rehabilitation center that has followed, and--of course--the support that everyone has for each other here.    :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: mkd on July 17, 2010, 10:16:41 AM
Cotton I agree it would have been nice to see footage of a maturing regal Phoe at 11 weeks.  I'm not sure if the station had more recent photos.  However, I think showing photos of a newly hatched fuzz-ball Phoe might bring in more donations from people who never watched the cam.  People who never watched the cam can't help to go awwww how cute when they the footage of our beloved fuzzball at that age and might give donations they wouldn't have given otherwise.   
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: flowerweaver on July 17, 2010, 11:44:55 AM
Thank you Nancy for posting the newclip.  Did I hear right that Maj said that they found Phoenix had a unusually large "parasite load"?

NancyJ:

One thing I've learned in raising chickens is that sick birds tend to attract more external parasites. Although I don't know what eagles do to rid themselves of external parasites (especially nestlings) adult chickens do take regular dust baths and thus a sick one would not have the energy to do so and the load builds.

When the host bird is dying the parasites become more active because they need to find a new host. They literally start an evacuation and this in itself can also make it seem like there is a heavy load because so many are now visible. My vet has taught me that it is a dire situation when I see this kind of activity. External parasites rarely kill their host (it would be counter-productive) but they certainly can contribute to the decline.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: teddy on July 17, 2010, 12:06:47 PM
hello  Doug

My name is Melissa. I want to thank you for sharing this with the whole world. It is so amazing to watch the eagles. They are so beautiful. I'm so sorry to hear about Phoenix. I hope they better luck next year. I'll be watching to see. Again thanks so much.

Melissa Owens
Hazel Green Alabama
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: artist on July 17, 2010, 12:17:23 PM
Thank you for posting this it was a wonderful interview. I thought they would show our Phoenix as a hatchling and a picture or her in her teenage state.

We are all heart broken but Phoenix opened the doors to help other eagles.
She did not die in vain even tho we all miss her.

artist
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: critter on July 17, 2010, 12:33:29 PM
Never thought that i would grieve for the loss of an eagle ... Phoenix became my little friend and I found myself talking to him!  I will be waiting anxiously for next year. 
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: kathyj on July 17, 2010, 12:34:01 PM
Thank you Nancy for posting the newclip.  Did I hear right that Maj said that they found Phoenix had a unusually large "parasite load"?

One thing I've learned in raising chickens is that sick birds tend to attract more external parasites. Although I don't know what eagles do to rid themselves of external parasites (especially nestlings) adult chickens do take regular dust baths and thus a sick one would not have the energy to do so and the load builds.

When the host bird is dying the parasites become more active because they need to find a new host. They literally start an evacuation and this in itself can also make it seem like there is a heavy load because so many are now visible. My vet has taught me that it is a dire situation when I see this kind of activity. External parasites rarely kill their host (it would be counter-productive) but they certainly can contribute to the decline.
Thank you Flowerweaver for explaining what that comment might mean.  I wasn't sure if I had heard it correctly, and if I had, was this an internal or external parasite.  I thought it might be external as I don't they had started the investigation, other than an external inspection of Phoenix's body.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on July 17, 2010, 12:46:30 PM
We have posted a new topic " What Happened to Phoenix" in this section.  It is a brief summary of events. Other updates re: Phoenix will be posted there also.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on July 17, 2010, 12:57:07 PM
Thank you Nancy for posting the newclip.  Did I hear right that Maj said that they found Phoenix had a unusually large "parasite load"?

I believe Maj said  "a full parasite load"
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on July 17, 2010, 02:42:29 PM
Doug made the following comments this morning, I have taken the liberty of posting them here on his behalf..

Saturday, July 17

I have felt your overwhelming appreciation as has Boonibarb, Winterwren and AJL. I have talked to Maj Birch of Mountaineaire Avian Rescue and she was overwhelmed with the outpouring of appreciation for her great assistance - to the point of her voice breaking. It's so nice to share this appreciation with those who have done so much. Now I think it would be nice if Dan Hamilton also shared in this support. He will never forget.

Using my video camera, Booni took a picture of Dan Hamilton climbing the eagle tree. Because of the giant size of the nest tree, he first climbed up about 80 feet on a smaller nearby tree then using ropes swung across to the larger tree and continued up. Quite a process. Booni will present this video as soon as she can. I found the process very interesting.

When I first asked Dan about recovering Phoenix he was reluctant.It is a difficult tree to climb and he knows the top portion is getting rotten, probably just a hollow shell near the top. You can see the condition of the top portion above the nest. But he believed from a safety point of view (and in tree climbing, that is paramount) that dealing with fierce eagles adds to the problem. He has never dealt with eagles before and decided he couldn't take the risk. When I came back to Hornby later that day, the job was done and done well and quickly. Despite his apprehensions, Dan had done it anyway. Thank you so much Dan. Your brave decision made it so a necropsy could be done. If delayed it would be ineffective. Dan made the whole rest of the chain action take place.

I think the tree will be OK for the eagles' nest for a few more years. The living part of a tree is the outer layers just under the bark. Even though the centre is rotten and hollow, I think there is sufficient strenght to hold the neswt. The branches supporting the nest growing out of the outer layer, are health and still growing. Not a satisfactory situation for the additional weight of the climber and certainly not worth the risk. But probably OK for the nest itself.

But because the tree is getting less safe for climbers, we are planning a new system where cameras can be raised up and down a pole from below the nest.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Marg Evans on July 17, 2010, 04:09:33 PM
I have been watching the Hornbys for 2 months. Can't believe how bad I felt at the news! My 8-yr. old grandson watched with me often. We were watching together when the possum was delivered to the nest. He cried when I told him about Phoenix today. He called the eaglet Junior. My condolences, Doug. If we feel this bad, I can only imagine how you and the team feel.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on July 17, 2010, 05:24:30 PM
Doug, thank you so much for the above update. 

From watching Dan, no-one would have guessed he had never handled an eagle before. He had obviously thought the process through and remained focused. From the time his red helmet appeared, to him waving to us and leaving our vision was about a minute.

To have Booni and Winterwren to accept Phoenix from Dan, was fitting and emotional for them and all who were watching and saw the video of them with Phoenix. 

Maj was a God-send in the process. I do hope she is able to maintain the Avian Rescue Center.

Your news that you
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think the tree will be OK for the eagles' nest for a few more years,
is good news.  I do hope that Mum and Dad will return.

The team effort to accomplish what was done was remarkable.  My sincere thanks to everyone who was involved in organizing the action; you, AJL, Maj, the Ministry, Dan, Booni, and Winterwren and others behind the scene.
 
Hopefully the necropsy results may lead to research and how to assist other eagles.

Phoenix, you did soar high ~ in a helicopter  :eclove

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: flowerweaver on July 17, 2010, 06:51:34 PM
Dan's efforts were absolutely heroic. Thank you Dan for your kindness and bravery during such an emotional time for us all.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on July 18, 2010, 02:11:52 PM
Doug made the following comment in chat and I am taking the liberty of posting it here on his behalf.

Sunday at 13:54

The two eagles have been around a lot today - in the Peters' tree for an hour, then mom flew into Hidden Beach, then both of them have been perched in the Babysitting Tree for the past hour. They seemed to be acting very normal. I threw out a salmon head but neither dad or mom bothered, which I interpreted as meaning they are getting enough food. If there was a food shortage, dad at least would have gone down to get it.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on July 18, 2010, 02:19:19 PM
Thanks Doug and Nancy, this is indeed good news that you have seen them.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: pratter on July 18, 2010, 02:38:47 PM
 Thanks Doug and Nancy for lettingus know that Mom and Dad Hornby are around.  I wondered if anyone would see them and knew you would let us know.  I can't imagine how hard this has been for those on Hornby Island.  I have been in Martha Meltdown mode three separate times so when I do get that way I think of you guys and then try to imagine how you feel.  Thanks for all you do!!!!!!
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: FlowerChild on July 18, 2010, 05:24:34 PM
Doug & All The Wonderful People with Hornby,
Just wanted to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the beauty and education that you have brought into my life and will continue to share with me and all of us.  I am dealing with my life being in complete change and chaos at this time and your site has given me much peace, though, now tring to handel the sudden and completely unexpected passing of Phoenix is proving to be yet another hurdle that is very difficult to clear.  I had felt better donating what I could to you and it did make me feel a bit better.  I only wish I could send more, but with no longer having a job, my funds are running low and I must save some to send to MARS this week.
Please know that I am deeply grateful to you all.
Eagerly awaiting the new life to begin again at the nest.
 :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Maria dB on July 22, 2010, 12:57:30 AM
Hello Flower Child.  I think a lot of us will be in your position of being on a tight budget.  :eceek  Even a few dollars will help.  :nod2 I myself will be sending a small donation in a couple of weeks (Got a lot of vet bills coming up, my 16 yr old moggie is poorly and also needs her shots  :ecrolleyes) Imagine if everyone who has posted on the site since we lost Phoenix sent Maj one dollar..that's thousands  :pray
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on July 22, 2010, 01:04:16 AM
Right now, with the economy is the way it is, many people who would like to contribute to MARS and other places like it are not able to do so, as much as they believe in giving to these good animal and bird-oriented groups.  None of us would want anyone who loves wildlife to worry about not being able to contribute.  Your being in the chat room or as a viewer is special enough.   :heart

Several of the people who post in the chat room are volunteering time, on the phones at MARS or helping with birds and/or animals in their local area.  That way, they can contribute needed help, without having to donate money.  The rehab centers and similar groups love to have help from people like those in our chat room!   :eclove  Some have taken extensive training and others do simpler tasks, but all are valuable.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on July 24, 2010, 11:23:37 AM
MOUNTAINAIRE AVIAN RESCUE SOCIETY (MARS)
     It was Maj Birch of MARS who did so much to have the body of Phoenix recovered, delivered to Courtenay for examination and sent to Vancouver for Necropsy - a process too complex to describe here.  Largely because of her personality, she has a large number of volunteers who put in hours to help the cause.  One of the volunteers is a retired pilot who transports injured eagles, seals or whatever to where they can get assistance, using his own helicopter.  Phoenix's body was thus flown to Vancouver.

Yesterday I was informed about the eaglet in nest #9 (the next territory north).  It had tumbled out of the nest prematurely.  It appeared to be alright so it was decided to leave it there where the parents and neighbours could keep an eye on it an see that it is fed.  Mountainaire advises us - and there is now some concern it may have an injured wing, so they are sending a volunteer over to Hornby to check it out and do whatever is necessary.

Yesterday an abandoned baby seal was reported in this same area.  The rule is to watch it for two days and if parents don't show up, then report it to Mountainaire.  They came over, captured it and returned it to Courtenay.  I just phoned up and the seal is presently on its way to Saltspring Island where there are facilities to rehabilitate it.  The seal was believed to be slightly premature.  It is now managing very well.


It is of interest that the Government of British Columbia decided to spend $500,000,000 to put a retractable roof on BC Place to encourage a gambling casino to open larger facilities.  To counterbalance such expenditures, it is necessary to cut back on other (presumably less important) services.  Thus, all funding to animal rescue institutions like Mountainaire Avian Rescue have now been cut off.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on July 24, 2010, 01:59:27 PM
We are so fortunate to have a facility like MARS.  They need help now, so they can help the animals. And for ourselves, the stressed  humans who care about them :)

I can't imagine how distressful it would be without them on these occasions.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: FlowerChild on July 24, 2010, 08:54:06 PM
MOUNTAINAIRE AVIAN RESCUE SOCIETY (MARS)
     (edit: removed long quote)

Doug,
Is there anything, along with donating, that any of us can do to try to get funding back where it is needed?
 :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: nubchai on July 28, 2010, 05:42:27 PM
Doug and Sheila,

Thank you for sharing the eagles with us.  I've been watching for years.   I had 1 question.

In past years if they had an eaglet or if they didn't,both Ma and Pa Hornby would return to the nest and tidy it up.   This was before they flew north at the end of summer.     So far it doesn't look like they've returned to the nest.    I was concerned that maybe because Phoenix was almost a juvenile ready to fledge, that his loss was different to them and they wouldn't return.   Or maybe seeing Phoenix removed had spooked them.    Is this normal behavior for them?  Do you expect that next year they'll return to the nest?   I certainly hope they do!
Thanks,
Sandy
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on July 28, 2010, 09:06:53 PM
Nubchai,  When mom and dad have not been back to the nest after Phoenix was gone,  I thought this was completely normal.  Whether because the eaglet had fledged or the eaglet had died and been removed or the eggs didn't hatch, I was under the belief that the eagles showed little interest in the nest any more - that is, until they returned from migration the following October.  It is then they start working on the nest for the following breeding season.

But that is only my memory of things - often not that accurate.  One would have to look back to records of previous years, however that is done.  Other than my general recollections, I can't be of much help.  Maybe others can help out here?
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: nubchai on July 29, 2010, 10:39:28 AM
Thank you Doug.  That's reassuring to hear. Thanks for replying   :ecsmile

Sandy
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on July 29, 2010, 11:27:37 AM
DAN HAMILTON, THE CLIMBER, PHONED TODAY: He has just arrived back from Victoria where his mother is seriously ill.  He announced there will be no bill for the recovery of Phoenix.  He was very moved by the appreciation expressed in the many cards he received.  (I think we have one more eagle fan)  As well as the letters, the donations he received covered what his normal bill would have been.  He thanks you all for the letters and donations.

We discussed how he had to climb well up the smaller tree and then swing over to the nest tree.  He said that is when the work began.  There are so many branches to get around on the way up.  With each branch he has to unclip his safety harness just below the branch and then clip it up again above the branch.

He is keen to help us with the changes we are planning for the cameras in September.  In preparation, he has left a permanent rope from the top to the bottom of the tree, which will greatly speed up the next climb.

After recovering the body of Phoenix, he took it across to Denman Island in his own speed boat where it was taken by a Denman Island volunteer for MARS  ...  and you know the rest of the story.  Thankyou so much Dan  and we all wish the best for your mother.  She lived just down our road before moving to Victoria.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on July 29, 2010, 11:50:30 AM
Thankyou for posting this, Doug.  How nice that Dan will be back again to work on the changes to the cameras and wonderful that he knows how appreciated he is. 
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on July 29, 2010, 12:36:17 PM
Thank you, Doug.  Dan was very brave to climb up to the nest and bring Phoenix safely down. He handled the challenges and Phoenix with such skill and tenderness, that it made me feel he understood how much she meant to us and it really mattered to him.  

Seeing the anguish on his face as he came down the tree is something I know many of us will never forget, thanks to Booni's being there to film what he was doing.  He shared the pain we were feeling and his wave was so thoughtful, as if to say, "I have her and she is safe with me."

It's reassuring to know that he's ready to come back and help take care of the improvements and other things that are being planned for the two cams.  :nod2

It looks as if Dan is an angel we have added to our Hornby family.  :eclove
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: pratter on July 29, 2010, 12:46:15 PM
Wow thanks Dan for your service to eagle lovers and the risk you took to get our Phoenix down.  I had tears in y eyes when I read what you had done for no pay.  Doug thanks for letting us know aobut Dan's kindness.  I will pray for your mom Dan.  God speed.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on July 29, 2010, 01:23:39 PM
Seeing the dolphins jumping and the long line of herring  is very special. Thank you so much Doug. I enlarged the screen to full page to be able to see it better. :)
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: maggiemoo on July 29, 2010, 03:01:12 PM
So thankful for the up-date, Doug, and the thoughtfulness of Dan and what he has done for Phoenix and all the friends at Hornby.
bless you all :-))))
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tosia on July 29, 2010, 05:27:51 PM
Thank you Doug for the update, thank you Don for what you did for our Phoenix.  She will be always in my heart.  It is wonderful to know that there are people  like you who are there and care for those magnificent eagles.  They are so beautiful and look so strong, but when you look closer they are so fragile and striving for survival, it is so hard for them to raise their young , they try so hard and never give up .  I fell in love in Hornby family and little Phoenix from the moment I saw her when she was 1 day old.  I still go on site every day after I comeback from work just like when Poenix was in the nest and I think I will keep doing it for ever.
Doug in your e-mail you are talking about working on both cameras.  I’ve been reading a lot about electromagnetic fields produced by all the electrical equipment that is not harmful to humans but in some degree dangerous to animals and birds.  Do you think this close up camera might produce some of the electromagnetic fields that may have an effect on reproducing and egg development ?  This is just a thought that can be worth to consider.
Don't know how to post, hope it will come out ok

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on July 29, 2010, 10:51:25 PM
Tosia, I often wonder about high voltage lines.  I imagine that my hair stands on end when walking under them - but it doesn't.  Many people suspect that there is a higher incidence of cancer in children who live under such power lines.  Not proven as yet but in due time more evidence may come forth.

But when there is no proven evidence about 10,000 volt power lines, it doesn't seem likely that the 25 volts of direct current going up to the camera will be doing any harm.

Failed eggs and mortality of chicks also occurred in the 15 years before the cameras.  During this period, two chicks were successfully fledged in only four years, one chick only was fledged in 7 years and no chicks were fledged in four years.  Failures are not unique to the years having cameras. 
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Donnae on July 29, 2010, 11:10:09 PM
Doug thanks for posting about Dan and I do wish his Mom a speedy recovery!!! I can attest that it is a hard climb up that tree :nod2-- I know from watching my hubby over the years on those big trees!!!! Not an easy job indeed!!!!  And he is still doing it, not as often, but still does and he is over sixty now with what the doctor calls-- a body of a twenty year old!!!!  Lucky me :eclove  I always tell him he is part ape that way he can swing on those lines and know about the manner of climbing that you described.

Great job Dan and thanks so much for all you have done and retrieving our Phoenix for us. Bless you! Miss her so much!!!!
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: kathyj on July 30, 2010, 08:24:00 AM
Thanks for your updates Doug.  Nice to think that Dan will be keeping in touch and around to help with the camera next season.  He certainly was very brave when he agreed to climb and retrieve lovely Phoenix.  I hadn't realised that he also ferried her by speed boat.  I too hope his mum recovers very soon.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Juniorsmom on July 30, 2010, 09:58:22 AM
Doug, thanks for the update and my thanks again to Dan for risking his life to rescue Phoenix, our "baby."  My prayers are with Dan's mother.

Doug, I didn't realize that the failed eggs and mortality of chicks would be so high.  After watching Phoenix go downhill in one day and now seeing the rescue of the two other eaglets on the island, it is easier to understand that not every egg becomes a future adult.  It is wonderful that so many of you on the island and elsewhere are there to save some of them.   I am also enjoying reading your posts on island/sea happenings.  Very interesting.  You must never be bored!
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: McMolly on July 30, 2010, 05:54:25 PM
I am overwhelmed by Dan's generosity and bravery in climbing to bring our sweet Phoe down from the nest.  And so I'm doubly pleased to hear he's anxious to join the Hornby family that does so much to help the eagles.

Someone told me that on a recent tour in the Vancouver area they were told by the guide that there's only a 40% survival rate among eagles.  If that's true, it's all the more heartening that so many of you are helping to save at least some of these amazing eagles.

Doug, I now have your book in my hands and I look forward to reading it when I have time to really settle in and enjoy and learn.  Thank you again ... you have no idea what this new experience has added to my life.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Thumper66 on July 30, 2010, 07:19:08 PM
Doug, thank you so much for sharing Dan's message.  I'm so glad that he has been blessed by so many of the Hornby Eagle family with "thank you's" and contributions.  He's quite a compassionate young man.

I received your book on Wednesday and I've only made a dent in it, but am enjoying it so much.  This is my first year watching the Hornby nest (or any nest as far as that goes).  I've mentioned before that I have always had a healthy respect and admiration for the Bald Eagle; but I never realized I could come to love them so much.  Mom, Dad and Phoenix came to life for me, thanks to your webcams and videos.  Phoenix's passing and mom and dad's mourning was so heart-wrenching and the tears seemed never-ending.

But, now as I watch the other island fledglings reach for the heavens with their new-found wings, I am awe-struck.  And, the lengths to which you, Sheila, Ajl, Booni, Wren, Maj, Dan, Jason, Norm, and the HEG family have gone to to rescue Niner and Brig, are never-ending.  You people are amazing!  You are my heroes. 

I can't wait to see what tomorrow will bring.  I come home from work each night and am so anxious to get into the forum to catch up on the day's happenings on the island. 

Thank you so much for sharing your book, videos and knowledge with us.  The eagles of Hornby Island are so blessed to have you and Sheila in their corner, fighting for their survival and to be their guardian angels forever.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tosia on July 30, 2010, 08:46:02 PM


Doug, thank you very much for your answer.   I trust you completely and I know that the Hornby Eagles and their lives are in the best hands possible.  You are so fortunate to see those magnificent birds every day and in some way to be a part of their lives as they are a part of yours.  I am very grateful to you for sharing this with others like me who can only observe them through the internet.  
Thank you Doug and thank you Sheila, Ajl, Booni, Wren and others for rescuing Niner and Brig, and for being there for them when they need you.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: calrob10 on July 30, 2010, 10:11:44 PM
Thanks Doug for the update on Dan.  What a special man he is.  There are so many special people connected to the Hornby Eagle Group, I am so honored to be able to watch the videos and listen to the wonderful stories.  Thank you and all for bringing Phoenix and the rest of the Eagles into my home.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: gillie on August 11, 2010, 11:03:26 PM
Thanks so much for the update Doug. It was a great thing for Dan to do to bring down dear baby Phoenix. Phoenix brought so much pleasure to so many people all over the world and she taught us so much. I did a project on Phoenix with a group of children at the primary school where I work. It was the highlight of the day to watch the Hornby family and  was heartbreaking to lose Phoenix,  we even had a memorial service for her. I can't begin to imagine how you and Sheila have coped along with others dedicated to the Eagles of Hornby Island. I was so relieved to see your video of mum and dad up in the tree and know that they appeared to be coping with their loss. One day I will visit your beautiful island and hopefully see Mum and Dad Hornby. Phoenix will always be in my heart. I am sure she is soaring high in the skies of Heaven with so many other eagles who have gone before her. Looking forward to a happier nesting season when the parents return in October.
Gill :>)
New Zealand
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NJudy on August 13, 2010, 06:36:05 PM
Thanks Doug for all that you do....Appreciate the update on Phoenix, and Dan.
Can't wait for next year.  Hopefully success for the Hornby eagle pair.
Judy
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: watermaid on August 14, 2010, 12:03:27 PM
Could someone please tell me what has happened to the
eaglet on the porch?

Thank you
watermaid (Joan)
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: madrona on August 14, 2010, 12:38:29 PM
Last night in the chatroom  boonibarb said that the eaglet, although heard, could not be seen and she spent a long time looking for it.  It might have flown to a branch or to its nest (hopefully), but booni was hoping to look for it again today.  

Maj from Mountainaire did not make it over to Hornby yesterday - apparently she had been considering going over to see whether the eaglet (named 'Decker' by some) was in need of rescuing.  Doug said that the area the eaglet had been visiting was not so much a porch as a low, deck-like structure.

It was also stated, somewhere, that the anchovies that had been fed to the eaglet were not the salted, canned variety.  :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: watermaid on August 14, 2010, 05:37:14 PM
Thank you, Madrona.  I appreciate the information.  Joan
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on August 14, 2010, 05:50:24 PM
I read on chat today (afternoon) that Doug had left a salmon head  for Decker ... the eaglet came and dragged the fish head over to ?? a hiding place??  My info is not complete by any means, but I believe Doug got some video.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on August 14, 2010, 07:12:14 PM
Thanks for keeping us informed over here on the forum!   :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on August 14, 2010, 07:33:37 PM
Yes, Doug said that Decker was very happy to get the salmon head and that the eaglet seemed to be vigorous and doing well.   :ecsmile  Doug didn't see Decker fly, just drag the salmon to another place.

The cam isn't working because Doug and Sheila's great-grandson or grandson was "pushing buttons" on the computer and pushed one that interfered with the broadcast.  :eceek  

Doug doesn't know what Ben (age 21-months) pushed and he "doesn't know how to fix it."    :investigate2  We'll all survive just fine... :ecsmile

Doug also said that he doesn't want to bother Raptorman who is taking a break from his Hornby-time right now, so we don't know when the cam will be back online.  At least it isn't a time when there are eagles on the nest and the chat room is still working.   :ecsmile

Doug, your grin when you were "trying on" the quilt was so endearing.  You looked just like a delighted little kid at Christmas!    :chuckle
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on August 14, 2010, 08:41:23 PM
Yes, Doug looked so pleased with quilt. I loved Sheila's comment that it would fit nicely on her side of the bed.  :eclol 

Little ones do love to push buttons and have done so before you can stop them  :heart

Thanks everyone for the update re 'Decker'.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: boonibarb on August 14, 2010, 09:46:57 PM


i*ve started a new thread, Nest #15, where i will post anything i know about Decker.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on August 15, 2010, 07:27:56 AM
Doug will show his new video of Decker grabbing, dragging, and eating the salmon head Doug gave him yesterday.  The viewing will be at 5 PM nest time, today, Sunday, Aug. 15.  Please come to the Hornby eagles nest cam and watch it with us.   :eclove

Doug did a sneak-preview this morning and those of us who were watching really enjoyed seeing both Decker and the Elephant Seal that has moved down the beach from where it was yesterday.  Both look good, from what we could see.  We can't tell, however, if Decker is getting enough to eat or is properly hydrated.

Doug is going to take Decker two fish heads that Booni has saved for him from yesterday.

HEART in action!   :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: pratter on August 17, 2010, 12:31:25 PM
Is there a place I can see the tug-of war between DEcker and Doug?  I missed it due to church and such.  thanks.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on August 17, 2010, 01:01:54 PM
pratter - yes - click here:  http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=311.msg23117#msg23117

and you will see a post with links to three hotspots (from the cam broadcast) that includes Doug's video.

In the next post, you will also find a link to another video of Decker, this one with winterwren.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on August 17, 2010, 01:26:00 PM
He sure looked thin in the frontal view.  Glad he is off to rehab now.  :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Maria dB on August 25, 2010, 06:09:59 AM
Just been watching Doug and Wren's videos of Decker again. It's so cute to see him hop his food back to his log and enjoy it  :eclove I don't think we have ever seen such a skinny eaglet before. Thank heavens he's safe now  :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on December 08, 2010, 02:52:52 PM
The Big Qualicum River:   Last summer two neighbouring eaglets flapped to the ground and were unable to get back to their nests.  They were taken to Mountainaire Avian Rescue in Courtenay for rehabilitation.  After two or more months they were released at the Big Qualicum River, 25 miles south of Courtenay, on Vancouver Island not far from Hornby Island.

Many of us assumed that they would be brought back to Hornby Island for release but Maj Birch of Mountainaire explained that there would be far more food at the mouth of the Big Qualicum River than on Hornby Island.  From August to November there are salmon carcasses along the banks of the river, waiting to be eaten - just the thing for young eaglets who have had no training on how to find food.  They learn about finding food, not from their parents, but by following all the other young eagles from one food source to another for the next four or five years.

The Big Qualicum river has four species of Pacific Salmon: Chinook, Coho, Pink and Chum - most common by far is the Chum.  In fact Qualicum is the native name for Chum salmon.  Some early reports spelled Qualicum as Quali-chum.

The Big Qualicum is only 10 miles from Hornby Island - just 20 minutes flight for the eagles.  Why then do they fly hundreds of miles north at the end of each summer hunting for fish when they are just 20 minutes  from the Big Qualicum River?
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: watermaid on December 08, 2010, 03:18:33 PM
Very interesting.  Watermaid  :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: passerine on December 08, 2010, 04:07:02 PM
Some links to the story of the eaglets Doug is referring to, Brig & Niner and their release. Thank-you Doug for some history. :ecsmile

eaglet Brig http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=40.150

eaglet niner http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=128.100

Starting here pics & commentary of Brig & Niners release at Big Qualicum River.
http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=128.100

A little more info on Big Qualicum watershed.
 http://www.bccf.com/steelhead/focus6.htm
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue Eyes on December 08, 2010, 04:26:14 PM
Doug. Could it be that after a long year of nest building, renovations, brooding and chick rearing they just want a vacation far away from home? They might also want to visit with their summer friends.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on December 12, 2010, 04:55:42 PM
RAT FISH and PACIFIC HAKE

A couple days ago Mum eagle brought a long thin silvery fish to the nest.  At first I thought it to be a Rat fish and now possibly a Pacific Hake.  Others have other ideas.  Without settling what fish it was, I thought this would be a good occasion to discuss these two fish that are amazingly common although hardly known by most Pacific coast people.

They are hardly known because they don't go for the lures that are used by sports fishermen and hence are seldom seen.  Also, they aren't highly thought of as a tasty food.

The Rat fish has a long thin tail, like a rat, with a tail more like a feather trailing back than the usual double-finned tail of most fish.  It is ugly as well and tastes horrible - even gulls refuse to eat them.  But they are extremely common.  The fisheries in the Washington State Puget Sound area take test trawls every so often to study the balance and make-up of the fisheries.  They have found that 70 percent of the total biomass consists of Rat fish.  I asked Ledo, our local shrimp fisherman, if he ever catches Rat fish as a by-catch.  Not many.  Maybe two or three a day.  In the spring there will be more.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on December 12, 2010, 05:16:48 PM
RAT FISH AND PACIFIC HAKE (continued)

The Pacific Hake was not a popular food.  They carry a bacterial parasite (not harmful to people) but which makes its flesh rot quickly.  As a result it was sold commercially in disguise as Whiting.  By prompt refrigeration and other techniques, this is no longer a problem. 

More Pacific Hake are caught on the west coast of US and Canada than all other ground fish combined so they are far more common than most people realize.

From the eagles point of view, anything goes.  Salmon, rockfish, ling cod, sole, midshipmen, dogfish or whatever.  Ratfish and Hake will be part of their diets - or anything else that moves (or doesn't move).
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Rajame on December 12, 2010, 09:51:07 PM
Thank you Doug and all. It has been an informative discussion to follow. Seems a fish is a fish if you are an eagle. :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on February 08, 2011, 07:32:08 PM
At Doug's request the discussion related to an 'Application for a coal mine'  has been moved to the 'Conservation and Preservation' board as Raven Coal Mine. (http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=703.0)

Please continue to express your concerns / thoughts and ideas for what this group may be able to do in the new topic.
 
Thank you.

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on March 31, 2011, 06:27:56 PM
Yesterday I got another 12 salmon heads.  Today when Mom was perched in the Peters' Tree, I threw out one of the heads.  I had hardly turned to walk away when she flew down and snapped it up.  Quite hungry.  She flew along the beach a way and ate it  while balanced in a rather delicate fir tree branch.  They don't take their fish back to the nest to eat now that there are eggs.  Fed dad later and he also took it along the beach to eat.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on March 31, 2011, 06:56:34 PM
Good to know, Doug - thank you for posting here.

Did you whistle for them?  I thought I heard whistles around 1:18 and again later at 1:50 - but no one was sure that it was you (do the starlings impersonate your whistle?   :puzzled2)
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on March 31, 2011, 07:06:40 PM
I did whistle, Nancy.  At 1:18 pm I couldn't see mom anywhere so I whistled a number of times but she must have been too far away and didn't come.  At 1:40 I saw her on top of the Babysitting Tree so I whistled again and she came immediately.  This time she flew down to the fish before I could get further than 10 feet away.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on March 31, 2011, 07:10:19 PM
Excellent - thanks for the vindication (not many believed me that it was you ...)

I am glad to know that when they are so hungry, there is a fish head or two available.
 
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on March 31, 2011, 09:41:34 PM
Thanks for the update, Doug. It is good to see you posting here.

I remember the eagle invader on the Saanich nest one year when there was food brought to the nest while the eggs were there.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on March 31, 2011, 10:27:40 PM
Thank you for letting us know, Doug.  There was discussion in the chat room while I was there, about whether or not you whistled or if it was a starling imitator!  :eclol

It's so reassuring that you provide fish heads when Mom and Dad are hungry!   :thumbup:

 :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on March 31, 2011, 10:30:12 PM
MARCH - THE MONTH OF THE HERRING.  

This year the herring first spawned on our beach on March 8th and continued every day until March 16 - for 9 days - a record.  Before this, 5 consecutive days was the standing record.  After the spawn, the herring are around until the end of the month and are occasionally frightened to the surface by fish, diving ducks or seals/sea lions (a herring ball) where the eagles and other birds can feed on them.  Also, the eggs attached to seaweed, keep floating free and are available to ducks and gulls for the remainder of the month.  Even in the first portion of March before the spawn, the herring are out there and are available food when they boil up as herring balls.  So March is truly the "Month of the Herring" - from beginning to end - the kick-start for the following breeding season.

The fisheries estimated that there was a biomass of 100,000 tons of herring this season, which is a near peak quantity, but despite a record spawn (the number of days milt could be seen in the water) there were relatively few eggs.  This was because the mass of herring were immature.  The average age for herring is 16 years, the record age is 22 years and they remain immature for 4 years.  In these immature years, the females lay a few eggs but not many, as was the case this year.  But they will be back next year and lay more eggs.

Since the spawning began our beaches have been white with gulls, but when I looked out this morning there were only 2 gulls left, George and Alice, our resident gulls.  The "Month of the Herring" is now over.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on March 31, 2011, 10:42:13 PM
Doug, thanks for the update re the herring spawn.  What makes the 'immature' years occur ?

 :ty
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on March 31, 2011, 10:50:46 PM
I am guessing that there must have been good spawning numbers 3 or 4 years ago, thus lots of immatures this year, but overfishing of matures the last 2 years, leaving not many matures for this year.  (Or something like that).
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: birdvoyer on March 31, 2011, 11:05:24 PM
Thank you, Doug. Very interesting. Everyday, I learn another piece of the puzzle and how one plays next to the other, so to speak.

(I am so glad that you mentioned George and Alice! I have wondered about them. ♥ )
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on March 31, 2011, 11:34:22 PM
It's nice to know that George and Alice are there and okay, Doug.  Thanks for letting us know.  I've been wondering about them.   :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on April 01, 2011, 02:05:12 PM
A month ago there were reports on the larger number of eagles visiting garbage dumps this year, signifying how hungry they were.  It was explained that the Chum salmon runs were very poor, causing them to be extremely hungry.

A couple of days ago my sister was visiting.  Sheila and I took her on a tour of Courtenay -  which means, of course, a tour of the local garbage dump.  A worker explained that the eagle numbers were down considerably from a month ago.  They were now feeding on herring.  Even then, there were about 150 eagles still there.  Also, he believed the numbers visiting the dump were greater than in previous years, which seemed to confirm the explanation of the failed chum salmon runs.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on April 01, 2011, 03:51:22 PM
The poor chum salmon runs were compounded by heavy rains that washed the salmon out to sea instead of them remaining in the streams as food for eagles, bears, etc.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on April 03, 2011, 12:10:03 PM
At 11:50 am I decided to feed a salmon head to eagles.  Looking out I saw that one was in nest and one on top of the Babysitting tree.  I was going to do an experiment.  See if I could get the eagle to come without whistling - perhaps by waving and holding up the fish for the eagle to see.  But the eagle was way ahead of me.  I just opened our door and it immediately flew to the Peters' Tree.  Took fish head to beach and the eagle flew immediately down and grabbed it while I was only 10 feet away and looking. Took head to some other place to eat - no longer to the nest.  If anyone know which one was in nest at this time, I'll know which one I fed.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on April 03, 2011, 12:22:58 PM
At 12:15 pm, I fed dad.  He too came down quickly.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on April 03, 2011, 12:32:15 PM
Thank you, Doug, for the info and the fish heads .... sounds like Mom and Dad were both very hungry - and will come without the whistle.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: paintnut on April 03, 2011, 12:38:02 PM
Dad left the nest at 12:13 heading straight for the Peter's Tree - must have seen you and went winging to get his treat.  Thanks Doug
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on April 04, 2011, 01:40:19 AM
Thanks for letting us know that you fed them, Doug.  If they are that hungry, there must not be many fish around right now.  I thought the herring stayed in the area for several weeks.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on April 04, 2011, 08:05:41 AM
Yes, Tigerlady, the herring do stay around for a few weeks before migrating out to the Pacific Ocean, but down fairly deep.  It is only if chased to the surface by preditor fish, ducks, loons or cormorants that they boil up to the surface in a "herring ball".  And I haven't seen a herring ball for a week now.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on April 04, 2011, 07:30:35 PM
Thank you for answering, Doug  That helps explain why Mom and Dad Hornby aren't finding herring.  They need to hire some cormorants!   :eclol
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: JOB on April 04, 2011, 09:43:24 PM
Doug,  I am drawn to this site because of the care that you show for the Eagles.  Don't ever change.
watermaid  :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on April 28, 2011, 05:46:18 PM
FIRST CHICK'S NAME:  The first eagle chick is generally a female, although not always.  Therefore the chick is named "Alexandra" in honour of Alexandra Morton, the great British Columbian biologist who has done so much to save our wild salmon.  It so happens that salmon is the favourite food of coastal eagles.

Young "Alexandra" should remind us of the supreme importance of a healthy environment, not only for the eagles, but for all life on this planet, including humans.  May she live long and spread the message far and wide.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: PamNY on April 28, 2011, 05:57:10 PM
Beautiful, Doug. A wonderful, inspired choice.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: watermaid on April 28, 2011, 05:58:51 PM
Nice tribute and beautiful name, Doug.
watermaid :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: luvthebirds on April 28, 2011, 06:12:27 PM
Love the name and the reason for it. May Alexandra inspire us to help wildlife and protect the environment. Thanks, Doug, for a great name and for bringing the Hornby Eagles to the Internet. May Alexandra fly free and thrive.  :eclove

(And if she were to be a he, Alex works great!  :ecwink)
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Faithyv on April 28, 2011, 06:26:12 PM
We welcome this Little Soul into the World of Eagles
http://paws-claws.weebly.com/uploads/4/3/9/3/4393517/2546741.jpg

Young Princess Alexandra sitting on her twiggy thone
Left solitude of egg behind, though she never was alone
She is born to be a diplomat, a speaker for Us all
Though her message, spoke in Eaglese, to some is just a call
It is only those with open mind, those willing to walk part
That will learn the message that she brings deep within their heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on April 28, 2011, 07:15:22 PM
Impressive name Doug  :eclove

Welcome Alexandra to Hornby Island  :s*
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on April 28, 2011, 09:15:08 PM
Doug, a beautiful and fitting name for the first chick. 

 :eclove
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on April 28, 2011, 09:42:31 PM
Wonderful choice, Doug. I don't know who should be more honoured - the eaglet or Alexandra.  :eclove

For those of you who don't know about the work of Alexandra Morton, we have a topic in the forum in Wildlife Rescue and Rehabilitation called Fish Research Place  

click > http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=67.msg53168#msg53168

Alexandra fights for the wild salmon.

I have just posted a recent photo of Alexandra receiving the Honourary Order of the Eagles Lifetime Achievement Award at Brackendale where some of the largest populations of Bald Eagles gather during the salmon runs.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: passerine on April 28, 2011, 09:54:00 PM
Everyone in chat loves the name Alexandra. Doug & Sheila, thank-you! :heart  I'm sure Ms Morton would be flattered too.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on April 28, 2011, 10:18:44 PM
Wonderful name, Doug!  Alexandra is starting out on the right foot, with a strong name, in honor of a strong lady.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: gzebear on April 29, 2011, 02:11:04 PM
I can think of no one who deserves to have a Hornby eaglet namesake more than Alexandra Morton. Here is her website and I hope that everyone will take a minute to read about this astonishing brilliant dedicated woman:

http://www.alexandramorton.ca

Good choice, Doug! Thank you so very much ... for everything.
gzebear
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on April 30, 2011, 07:13:03 AM
Alexandra Morton is truly an incredible person - my heroine.  Gzebear (above) has provided the address of Alexandra's web-site.  I hope you can take the time to read it.  Alexandra has devoted her life for the common good - that we must put the health of the environment ahead of mindlessly exploiting the environment - and that we must elect governments that pursue these same goals.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: madrona on April 30, 2011, 07:57:20 AM
We have a topic entitled "Fish Research Place" in the Wildlife Rescue and Rehabilitation section of this Forum:  http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=67.0  There you will find several posts about Alexandra Morton and the work she is doing.  She has a regularly updated 'Blog' which we have also provided links to in that thread:  http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on May 01, 2011, 06:11:40 PM
SECOND CHICK’S NAME: 

The second egg to hatch is assumed to be a male - a younger brother for Alexandra.  This chick is named “David” in honour of David Suzuki, the great Canadian biologist and educator who has produced “The Nature of Things”, a program running on CBC TV for 50 years.

In a time when the ultimate goal for many is the accumulation of wealth and the success of a nation is judged by its Gross Domestic Product,  Alexandra Morton and David Suzuki have dedicated their lives to the benefit of all people.

They have directed their energy in a course allowing for the continued evolution of life for thousands of years and to who knows what heights - rather than a course that will degrade life back to some primitive levels.  We must seriously understand what our behaviour does to the environment we live in.

It is hoped that the naming of our chicks “Alexandra” and “David” will encourage us to think about what is really important in life.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on May 01, 2011, 06:24:14 PM
Doug, a fitting tribute to David. He is an inspiration to all and is still tackling issues.

I wonder if 'David' will be a loud peeper like his sister?  :eclol

Here's to Mom, Dad, Alexandra and David - a long and healthy life to all of them.

 :biggrin6  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Cawatcher on May 01, 2011, 06:48:32 PM
Wonderful choices Doug, Thank You for giving these two a great head start
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on May 01, 2011, 07:27:36 PM
Alexandra and David are both strong names.  It should be a great nesting season. :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: watermaid on May 01, 2011, 08:28:07 PM
Another very fitting tribute in naming the 2nd baby "David".  Nice thought, Doug.  watermaid :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: beans on May 01, 2011, 08:35:54 PM
Excellent names for both eaglets and I agree 100% with Doug's philosophy. 
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Donnae on May 01, 2011, 10:05:34 PM
thank you Doug... wonderful names with wondering means behind them... looking so forward to a great season and so glad for Mom and Dad!!! ty
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on May 02, 2011, 02:36:05 AM
Doug, the reasons you arrived at the new eaglets' names provide a real inspiration for all of us to think about the environment and do something to help get things back on the right track!    :thumbup:
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: passerine on May 02, 2011, 06:59:28 AM
I very much admire Alexandra Morton & David Suzuki, I think the names are perfect & like you say it does bring about awareness. :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on May 02, 2011, 10:45:55 AM
PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCENES:

Karen Morrison - head of the eagle section of the Department of Environment -helped steer me through the bureaucratic steps required for the installation of cameras in an eagle tree.  Not only helped the process but I felt, was encouraging it.

Bob Chappell, an electronics expert from Victoria - participated in selecting the cameras used, the electronic system best suited, a special sound system and how to install them.  All done with enthusiasm.

Tod and Christine Jones, also from Victoria, who own the lot the eagle nest tree is on.  They have graciously allowed the cameras to be located there for 7 years now.  Keep in mind that at any time the lot could be sold (for a significant amount) and that they have had to pay considerable property taxes over this period - probably more than I have had to pay keeping the cameras maintained. A most generous contribution, indeed.  We must never forget their role in our Eagle Project.

We are now aware of Dan Hamilton, the tree climber, who has looked after our cameras the last two years, but may forget about Jed Young who did the original camera installations and maintainence for the first five years.  A particularly difficult task was fabricating the structure for the upper camera.  Despite being vulnerable, it has not budged an inch through many ferocious storms.

These are people we must always remember and appreciate.
 
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: birdvoyer on May 02, 2011, 11:01:14 AM
Yes, Doug, an important group to remember indeed!

(Maybe you can put them on your list of names to consider for future eaglets  :biggrin3 )
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: ccfan on May 02, 2011, 11:40:01 AM
Thank you for that information Doug...definitely people to keep in our thoughts a s we watch the glory of these eagles.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on May 02, 2011, 01:07:34 PM
As in most worthwhile projects, it takes many people to accomplish the goal.  :biggrin6
I am asked sometimes about the nest not being on Doug and Sheila's property.  They are always in awe of the Jones' generosity.  :eclove
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on May 03, 2011, 01:14:14 AM
Doug, thank you for reminding us of the other people involved with Mom and Dad Hornby and their family. Mega thanks to all of them.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Faithyv on May 03, 2011, 10:53:21 AM
Thanks Doug - I had no idea that so many others were so involovled - makes me appriciate everyones efforts even more - i 2nd the notion of naming eaglets after these folk too.

of course, that's up to you - they may (like you) prefer not to be so honored.

Faithy
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on May 05, 2011, 10:38:25 PM
MIDSHIPMEN:  Midshipmen are small fish (from 6 to 9 inches long) that are the main diet of our eagles throughout the spring and summer.  They make their first appearance in tidal pools around May 1st and are around until mid-August - coinciding exactly with the period the chicks first hatch until they migrate.  Hence, I call them the baby food of eagles.  Once again this year, the eagles first brought midshipmen to the nest on May 2nd and have been doing so ever since.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: madrona on May 06, 2011, 08:39:04 AM
Here is a link to a depressing article in the Fish Research Place topic in the forum, where Alexandra Morton expresses frustration in her efforts to "tighten up the regulations that govern the farms ..."  She states that she feels "she has "failed" in her efforts to change government policies and industry regulations to make the controversial fish farms more environmentally friendly."  http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=67.msg54062#msg54062
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on May 06, 2011, 01:07:15 PM
That was depressing, Madrona.  We are so controlled by a culture of production and consumption.  The ideal for individuals is the accumulation of wealth and the ideal for nations is the increase in gross domestic production.  It is a tough fight to change this culture.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on May 06, 2011, 04:41:26 PM
I have sent an e-mail to Alexandra Morton expressing our appreciation of what she stands for and for all that she has done.  I mentioned that she is our heroine and that we named the first chick Alexandra in her honour.  I gave her our hornbyeagle .com address if she ever gets time to glance at it.

If any of you would like to drop her an e-mail, her address is     info@raincoastresearch.org
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on May 08, 2011, 06:23:27 PM
Press Release about new Hornby eaglets:

We have a good video clip of our two new eaglet feeding, which we will sent to you.  Here is a press release which will explain the background of these eaglets:
 ALEXANDRA MORTON HONOURED

Mom and Dad Hornby named their first chick of the year “Alexandra”.  We are talking of the world famous “Eagles of Hornby Island” first seen by millions around the world in 2006.  These eagles just love salmon and have named their newly hatched egg after Alexandra Morton who has done so much to save the wild salmon.

In their initial year of fame, these eagle laid two eggs but both failed to hatch.  It was believed they were too old.  However, the eagles paid no attention and successfully fledged three more eaglets since then.  On March 22 and March 26 of this year they laid two more eggs.  They just don’t know when to stop.

They are now 28 years of age, considered to be old for eagles.  Although eagles have lived for up to 50 years in zoos,  30 years is considered to be the limit in the wild.  They have fledged 18 eaglets to date.

Alexandra (the chick) hatched in the early afternoon of  Thursday, April 28 - an event more exciting to eagle lovers than the Royal Wedding.  However, the hatching wasn’t without several worrisome hours.  A day and a half earlier, Alexandra had broken a hole (pip) through the shell but appeared to be stuck inside.  Eventually she did get out and is in good health.  The second egg is due to hatch on May 1st.

It is hoped that young “Alexandra” will remind us, just as Alexandra Morton has, of the supreme importance of a healthy environment, not just for the salmon, not just for the eagles, but for all life on this planet, including humans.  May the two “Alexandras”  live long and spread the message far and wide.
 
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on May 08, 2011, 06:26:41 PM
Press Release, continued:SECOND CHICK’S NAME: 

As expected, the second chick hatched on May 1st.  The second egg to hatch is assumed to be a male - a younger brother for Alexandra.  This chick is named “David” in honour of David Suzuki, the great Canadian biologist and educator who has produced “The Nature of Things”, a program running on CBC TV for 50 years.

In a time when the ultimate goal for many is the accumulation of wealth and the success of a nation is judged by its Gross Domestic Product,  Alexandra Morton and David Suzuki have dedicated their lives to the benefit of all people.

They have directed their energy in a course for mankind which allows for the continued evolution of life for thousands of years to come, and to who knows what heights.  Better than the blind market-place striving that will degrade life back to some primitive levels.  We must seriously understand what our behaviour does to the environment we live in.

It is hoped that the naming of our chicks “Alexandra” and “David” will encourage us to think about what is really important in life.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: birdvoyer on May 08, 2011, 07:11:52 PM
Thank you Doug. We will get this to CBC tv.

birdvoyer and luvthebirds
Hornby Eagles PR Team
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: LittleTreesMom on May 09, 2011, 05:57:54 AM
I realized the other day, how much exactly the names Doug picked are destiny.
 Mishi's hallelujah song she plays with her pictures of Hornby well the first line is " I heard there was a sacred  chord, that DAVID played to please the lord" And the wonderful voice singing this version is ALEXANDRA Burke. I think that is just a beautiful sign and wanted to share it.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on May 09, 2011, 09:21:54 AM
What a nice coincidence.  Beautiful names too!  :biggrin3
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: watermaid on May 09, 2011, 11:11:45 AM
A very interesting note, Little Trees.  Thank you, watermaid :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: jeavverhey on May 10, 2011, 09:37:01 AM
That gives me goosebumps :-)  Definitely meant to be.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 03, 2011, 11:03:46 AM
As I am writing this I can see two healthy young chicks doing exceedingly well.  Young David started pecking at Alexandra's beak and she thought, "I don't have to take this" and took a peck or two back.  David simply turned his back on her and ducked all retaliation.  There was nothing excessive about this - simply siblings excercising in preparation for the future.  They are now walking well and their feathers are rapidly filling in.  To me, a wonderful thing to watch.

However,  when I watch chat sometimes I feel we are observing the Intensive Care Unit.   No fish were brought in today,  the noise is putting them off feeding, other birds are threatening them, they are sneezing, the boney salmon heads are not sufficiently nutricious, can Doug supplement their diets (presumably with vitamins), are the vibrations from the drilling frightening all the fish far out to sea.

At times it is like hysteria, reflecting your own unsubstantiated fears and inabilities to control your emotions and ruining the tone of the chat for others.  This should be a place for observing the wonderful job the parents are doing, based on 22 years of experience and where they have successfully fledged 18 eaglets.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 03, 2011, 11:15:08 AM
As I have said many times before, the noises of drilling and construction are not upsetting the eagles.  It is not a threat to them.  For 22 years they have chosen to come back to this same location.  It is OK.  With super sensitive microphones (the peeps of chicks can be heard while still inside the shells) you are hearing the noise far, far more than the eagles hear it.  The eagles are getting all the food they need - not necessarily three regular meals a day.  Yesterday there was a carcas of an oppossum on the beach.  In the morning I put out two good slabs of halibut and in the late afternoon another salmon head.  The eagles knew all about this but left it all for crows or other birds to eat.  If they needede food they would have taken it.

Have some faith in the eagles and some consideration for the tone of the chat.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on June 03, 2011, 11:59:37 AM
Thanks for those opinions, Doug.  :clap
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: birdvoyer on June 03, 2011, 12:41:10 PM
Doug, I believe this says it best...

"At times it is like hysteria, reflecting your own unsubstantiated fears and inabilities to control your emotions and ruining the tone of the chat for others.  This should be a place for observing the wonderful job the parents are doing, based on 22 years of experience and where they have successfully fledged 18 eaglets."

And to read and watch! Thank you for sharing you wisdom as well as the eagles.  
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: ccfan on June 03, 2011, 01:58:23 PM
Doug,

I agree totally with your words that Birdvoyer quoted above. Thank you for your substantiated wisdom. Not being in your shoes of experience it is a little too easy to get carried away in speculation (including me and my well question earlier today:blush).You are a Godsend to us all. A lot of people who have been watching the longest have been "sitting on their fingers" aka "biting their tongues" in chat...and poor AJL is caught in the crossfire trying to answer questions honestly and then having the worst connotations put on her responses...it has definitely been a lesson in how many different ways the same question can be asked. 
The one thing everyone has in common is desiring a glorious outcome for Alexandra and Davidand Mum & Dad Hornby.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Faithyv on June 03, 2011, 02:27:29 PM
Thanks Doug

I seldom chat much of late - as it is such a fearsome ordeal at times.  I also assume that they are doing very well - as the little ones do not seem to be eager for every bite - which they would be if they were going hungry.

Now if only the chatters would read the forum pages too!

Thanks again for sharing this wonderous miracle with all of us.
I am humbled by your generosity.

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: njoyneagles on June 03, 2011, 02:48:48 PM
I second the thanks from Faithy above.  I have always been mostly a lurker, and an occasional chatter, always trying to catch you, AJL and our other experts to learn.  You all have so much knowledge to share with all of us, I sometimes wish everyone would slow down and really listen.  It's definitely become more difficult to watch chat lately.  I agree with Faithy - I hope they come read the forum!!

Thank you and all of HEG from the bottom of my heart for this wonderful cam and all the new things I have learned!
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on June 03, 2011, 04:12:10 PM
Thank you Doug, for clearly stating how well the eaglets and parents are doing. Links to your posts can be posted in chat when needed.  :ecwink. Hopefully everyone will calmly understand your expertise.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: jungleland on June 03, 2011, 08:15:29 PM
Thanks Doug for setting us straight!  We are so lucky to have this opportunity to view the wildlife so close and personal.  I'll admit I've been a little nervous with what seems like a lack of fish.  These little eaglets do tug at your heart stings.  We will try to have faith in mom and dad's experience.  Again thanks for providing us this opportunity to watch and learn.  We appreciate all you do!!!
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: dancermom2 on June 03, 2011, 08:38:39 PM
Thank you Doug! I had to leave last night because of the tone of the room.   It is very easy for a chat to work itself into a frenzy of worry if no one steps in to say whoooooa wait a minute you all need to chill or at least not to post more to encourage the spiral into panic.  The tone of the room can totally get crazy if a few start going on and on and everyone feeds on everyone else's upset. 

When you posted to just trust mom and dad I stepped away and said thank you and yes...I will trust to mom and dad and to you who have watched this pair for so long  (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/dancermom2/emoticons/hug2.gif)
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: eaglett on June 03, 2011, 09:32:56 PM
Doug,you are so right.The tone in the forum got very unpleasent yesterday and i had to leave.I am mostly a lurker and so far i enjoyed reading what you,Ajl and the other "experts" had to say,but yesterday i was very close to leaving the chatroom for good,i just couldn't take it anymore with the hysteria.I hope it gets better with the chat,for you and all so involved with the eagles!You know this pair so well and i trust you when you say there is no need to worry. :ty
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: PamNY on June 04, 2011, 09:17:42 AM
I would like to point out that emotion is not the basis for all questions.

For example, I asked AJL about dehydration. This is something I have wondered about in real-life bird watching: is the moisture content in cached food (hawks) or nestovers (eagles) reduced?  Is there a danger of dehydration for the young in situations where the parents are forced to rely on food that has been sitting around for a while?  This seems to me a perfectly legitimate inquiry.

Similarly, curiosity is the basis for my questions about the food supply and the eagles' interest (or lack of) in supplementary food.  In my real-life birdwatching, the prey base is relatively stable. Learning about a situation where food sources vary radically (and the subsequent effects on reproduction in the birds) is fascinating.

I don't mean to suggest that anyone owes me answers to these questions; they certainly don't, and I am very grateful for whatever information I can pick up. The more I know, the more efficiently I can do research on my my own.  I simply wanted to post a reminder that the current situation with the eagles is fascinating and provides the potential for learning.



Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on June 04, 2011, 10:23:50 AM
Perhaps the most reassuring factor is that the Bald Eagle has always thrived here. They thrive in spite of, or because of, seasonal changes in the food supply; they adapt to the changes in weather and daily and seasonal changes in the tides. It has always been so.

They may reject some food offerings because the adults have an innate ability to bring food back to the nest that is essential for the stage of growth that the eaglets are at - development of bones, increased blood supply to support development of pinfeathers etc. versus the foods that may have been needed for the enormous spurt of growth in the first weeks. There is so much we don't know.

The eaglets need to sleep a lot more at some stages than others.

The noise of the drilling does not seem to be a factor. Yesterday, right after the drilling had resumed after a long period of quiet, Mom commenced feeding the eaglets, apparently oblivious to the noise. It does not seem to be a factor in the feeding schedule. The amplified noise through the microphone is more annoying to us than the distant sound of it being carried to the nest from ground level is to the eagles. I always imagine the eagle considers himself impervious to the activities that he observes from his lofty perch. Eagles perch in the trees above my garden to fish at the beach and seem to care less what we are doing down below them.

We need to observe and learn and not impose our own ideas of what we think should be happening.


Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on June 04, 2011, 10:57:04 AM
Pam, questions about what we are observing is how we all learn. And even tho the eagles have been watched on cam for 6 years now, we're still learning. Questions don't  lead, or have to lead, to needless worrying, and anguish. Don't stop the observing and questions.  :ecwink
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 04, 2011, 11:39:32 AM
To change the subject, I am trying to post an article I wrote this morning for a Gulf Island Newspaper  ...  about Alexandra and David   

                    THE HORNBY EAGLES

The two chicks in the Hornby Nest looked like cute little puff balls but are now at the ugly gawky stage.  Their gigantic yellow feet seem out of all proportion to  their bodies, like puppies that will eventually grow into their feet.  Their wings are getting long and uncoordinated.  Their rate of growth is tremendous.  Their wings will grow to a span of 80 inches (just under 7 feet) in 80 days - an inch a day.  So they have to eat a lot and sleep a lot.

In the first three weeks, the first chick, Alexandra, pecked the younger David mercilessly - quite frightening to watch.  She is giving him a simple message, “Me first”.  So when the parents arrive with fish, Alexandra gulps it down until her crop is bulging.  Then David gets his turn.  If David tries to horn in when Alexandra is feeding, he gets bopped on the head.

This is a system which works for eagles - especially if there is insufficient food.  The first one gets fed and survives whereas the second one is only successful if there is sufficient food.  If they fed both chicks equally, both would be weak and neither likely to survive.  Last year in our neighbourhood there were three eaglets which fluttered to the ground, not strong enough to fly properly.  They were taken to Mountainaire Avian Rescue just north of Courtenay and were eventually rehabilitated and released.  In each of these three nests there were two eaglets, one which fledged successfully and the other too weak.  This illustrates the situation where there was probably insufficient food.

Yesterday in the Hornby nest, young David started pecking Alexandra and she started pecking him back with greater force.  But David just turned his back and leaned away so she couldn’t reach him - getting smart.  This sibling rivalry is a training ground for the future.

Alexandra was named after Alexandra Morton, the great biologist who has done so much to save our wild salmon. David was named after David Suzuki who we all know.  So our two chicks Alexandra and David are a constant reminder of those who care about the environment, with the hope we will take time to think about what is of ultimate importance.

Right now, in the upper Island area, the overwhelming majority see the proposed Raven Coal mine as being another affront to our environment.  Both of our chicks, Alexandra and David, are against the coal mine.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: dancermom2 on June 04, 2011, 12:06:31 PM
Your article made me smile Doug!

We need to observe and learn and not impose our own ideas of what we think should be happening.
Exactly. The problem is not so much the fact that questions are being asked but the fact that the questions and speculation are being asked and stated in a way that was instilling panic in the chat. Those that should be calming the chat are instead pumping the panic.  I know as a mod on another board that sometimes I need to watch what I say and how I say it and that I can't always say what I would like for the good of the board because I am a moderator.  
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: mother nature on June 04, 2011, 02:08:02 PM
I sure would like to see this forum be used more.
I find the chat extremely difficult to follow, with the off topic chatter and the short cut replies. Which can lead to misunderstandings. Sometimes it is hard to figure out who is answering what question.
I have not been able to figure out how read/skim the days chat for hard info only. I only see that cumbersome previous 35 thingy
It really is a shame that this form cannot be used to better advantage
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: ccfan on June 04, 2011, 02:32:59 PM
I love it Doug...maybe Rap can give Alexandra and David signs with Raven Coal Mine crossed out...actually that could be a good bumper sticker...hmmm, salmon carrying a similar sign...something similar to that successfully raised awareness about a problem in the area I live in...and caused a positive outcome.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on June 04, 2011, 02:33:31 PM
Great article, Doug. I love that our chicks, by their very nature, are against the coal mine!  :thumbsup


mother nature,

Thanks for your opinion on the forum. It is a 'permanent' record of posts which can be read and re-read. We have nearly 2,100 members here. In the end, the comments on the Cam Chat are gone.  :zooooom The forum is here to stay with a complete record of this season's nest as well as everything from last year to look back at.

People who haven't done so should spend some time and explore the forum - there is so much here!

Right now we are sponsoring the release of last year's rescued eaglet from Hornby - Decker. He has been recovering and is ready to fly to freedom soon. (See the News item up on the top banner or look here: http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=818.msg57300#msg57300 )
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: CherubimsMom on June 04, 2011, 03:10:24 PM
I’m new to the Hornby Eagles webcam and chat room.  I have only been watching for a couple of weeks, and have enjoyed it very much.  It’s very reassuring for me to see the caring nature of other people in the chat room.  I'm glad there are still good people in this world who care about other people and about other living creatres.  I’m not on too often, but I have never seen anyone with an inability to control his/her emotions.

If people are concerned about something, it’s probably because they don’t know that they shouldn’t be concerned.  For example, if people shouldn’t be paying any attention to how often the eaglet’s sneeze, then we need to know that sneezing is normal in eaglets. A bunch of us were temporarily scared when Mom dragged David part way across the nest with a stick, and I was very saddened to read about the death of Phoenix.  I’m frequently curious as to why they’re behaving certain ways. I appreciate reading Doug’s, AJL’s and Mojo’s explanations, and am thankful for all they do to help the eagles.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on June 04, 2011, 03:51:34 PM
Welcome to the forum Cherubimsmom!  Lots of info here in Reference area and elsewhere. Hope you enjoy  :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: gzebear on June 04, 2011, 07:16:06 PM
I enjoyed reading your article, Doug. I'm sure that Alexandra and David are against the coal mine. The coal mine is certainly against them!
Thanks for all that you do ....
gzebear
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: MoJo on June 05, 2011, 05:45:21 PM
I appreciate reading Doug’s, AJL’s and Mojo’s explanations, and am thankful for all they do to help the eagles.  :thumbup:

Oh my goodness, Cherubim; you’re very sweet :heart but I’m nowhere near AJL and Doug’s level!  I’m just learning like all the rest of us!

Mojo

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: PamNY on June 05, 2011, 09:08:02 PM
Great article, Doug. I'm glad Alexandra and David have good judgement about the coal mine.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on June 06, 2011, 03:24:19 AM
Doug, that's an excellent article.  You write so well and keep the reader engaged to see what happens next.  I'm sure that Alexandra and David agree with you...The Raven Coal Mine won't be good for living beings, avian, animal or human! 

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 06, 2011, 09:08:29 AM
Everything has gone so well these last few days.  The three public meetings about the coal mine are now over.  Sheila and I attended two of them.  An endless number of questions and comments were made, all strongly against the so called "benefits" of having a mine.  It was extremely emotional, full of standing ovations for well put questions and booings for the answers.  

There have been excellent postings on the Coal Mine situation recently, particularly a video posted by Blue, Posting #94.   See the Conservation section below and Raven Mine in particular.

The Vancouver Canucks won their second game and the weather has been just dreamy.  And we had the most wonderful gathering of the Eagle People on Hornby.  It was so nice for all of us to meet together.  and it was loads of fun.  The eagles cooperated by posing on the Peters' Tree for the photographers.  Henrik, from Denmark, got several good pictures including crows dive-bombing the eagle - with his new camera.  The eagle further cooperated by catching a midshipman on the beach.  As it flew inland, everyone ran from the deck to the screen, to see it land in the nest.  Lots of fun.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: anabanana on June 13, 2011, 10:29:20 PM
Hi Doug,

I have been watching David and Alex's progress and they are beautiful and strong.

I was wondering when they are due to fledge? (I read somewhere it is around week 12 so that would put them into July)

Do they fledge together or a week apart?

Thanks,
Anna

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: anabanana on June 14, 2011, 05:46:37 AM
 :thumbup: 38days! just saw the counter. I assume they fledge a week apart as the counter sez 'first' fledge.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 14, 2011, 09:27:27 AM
Although Alexandra and David hatched 3 or 4 days apart, their fledging may be on the same day or maybe only one or two days apart. The first one may inspire the second one, showing how it is done and how much fun it is.  Four years ago Thunder flew up to the upper camera a number of times.   Within a day Lightning flew up there also, bumping Thunder off.  Most memorable about 9 years ago, we had the "Twins".  On a particularly windy day they were jumping across the nest, up and down, doing helicopter lifts etc.  They each began flying within a few hours of each other.  Having the two chicks makes it more interesting for us and for them.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 14, 2011, 07:35:57 PM
Yesterday, both adults were away from the nest for 30 minutes.  I spotted them in the Leaning Tree (the southern boundry of their territory, on Sandstone Point).  They were staring out into the waters off Hidden Bay.  A group of river otters were chasing down fish and the two eagles flew down to steal one of the fish if possible, but did not succeed.  The otters are too quick and too smart.

One eagle landed right next to the water on a sandstone ledge.  The otters went right to that spot and 4 or 5  of them dashed at the eagle for sport - up to 5 feet away - and dashed back to the water.  Lots of fun!  I was able to count the otters.  There were 23 of them - the most I have ever seen together.  Over the years the number of otters seems to have increased.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 14, 2011, 07:45:40 PM
Over the last 2 or 3 years, the number of crows in this area seem to have decreased and the number of ravens have increased.  I think the two things are related.  Ravens will raid the crows nests for eggs and for chicks - keeping down the crow population and at the same time increasing their own population.  Others on Hornby have also noticed the increase in ravens.

All day today there have been mournful raven calls.  Looking more closely, they appear to be a fresh crop of young ravens, not long out of their nests.  The crows are divebombing them mercilessly.  It appears that next year's crop of ravens will be even greater in number.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on June 14, 2011, 08:33:01 PM
What a treat  to see that many otters.  :biggrin6 Then add the eagle interaction, wow, how special.!

It is so much more entertaining for us when there are two eaglets for interactions. I appreciate your observations of the eaglets learning from each other.  :ecsmile
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 16, 2011, 09:28:20 PM
I was quite pleased that "The Island Tides"  printed the article I submitted about our eagles.  See posting #262 above.  I especially liked my bit of propaganda about the coal mine, in the last sentence  ....  "Both our chicks, Alexandra and David are against the mine."      The editor replied that they are quite young to be activists, but left it in anyway.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Cawatcher on June 16, 2011, 09:52:21 PM
 :eclol very good Doug!! They Should have a voice in thier future   :thumbup:
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Rajame on June 16, 2011, 10:15:38 PM
The article is great Doug! I felt transported to Hornby Island. As for Alexandra and David having a voice, they DO! I have heard them even in the shell. One of them seems to be a bit more vocal - have had to quickly adjust the volumn on the old puter!  :eclol :ecwink

:hearts2
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: madrona on June 17, 2011, 08:33:24 AM
I was quite pleased that "The Island Tides"  printed the article I submitted about our eagles.  See posting #262 above.  I especially liked my bit of propaganda about the coal mine, in the last sentence  ....  "Both our chicks, Alexandra and David are against the mine."      The editor replied that they are quite young to be activists, but left it in anyway.

There is now a topic entitled Hornby Eagles in the News - http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=831.msg59188#msg59188 where  (http://www.ournaturezone.com/index.php?topic=831.msg59188#msg59188 where) I have posted the above article, from Island Tides, with a link to it.

The first article in the new thread is the excellent one in the current edition of InFocus magazine, Bird’s Eye View - Hornby eagle cam opens up a whole new world—to the whole world… for which Doug gave a lengthy interview to the writer, Laura Busheikin.

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: emc on June 17, 2011, 03:49:55 PM
The infocus article is fantastic. Very thorough and accurate. Lovely comments after it too.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on June 17, 2011, 11:53:54 PM
Doug, so much is happening in your world...the Raven Coal Mine opposition efforts, the excellent magazine interview, the two eaglets growing and changing as we watch them.  There's always something to think about and you enrich our world with the eagles and your advocacy for the environment!   Thank you.  :eclove
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 18, 2011, 10:32:14 AM
Thankyou Tigerlady.  I always am impressed with your comments and to receive a complement from you is something I really appreciate.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Faithyv on June 18, 2011, 12:58:36 PM
Doug and all hornby watchers - there is a notice of an upcoming documentary in todays parade magazine.  The film is called "The Last Mountain" about the locals in West virginia trying to save their mountain from the horrid practice of Mountaintop Removal Mining - just thought you all might be interested.  This is a horrid mining practice that needs to be stopped.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 18, 2011, 08:18:25 PM
At 7 o'clock this evening Sheila spotted what looked like someone swimming off Sandstone Point.  Looking in the telescope, it was an eagle swimming towards shore, dragging a fish too large to lift from the water.  In a one minute period, it made 45 wing strokes - about one stroke every 1 1/4 seconds.  Upon landing at Sandstone Point, it dragged the fish up the shore a foot or two.  I thought it might be a dog fish but saw a broad tail like a salmon, about a foot and a half long.  As it began eating it I could see red flesh.  Other likely fish are Dog fish, rock fish and ling cod but all are white fleshed, so it probably was a salmon.

This is the first time in several years that I have seen an eagle swimnming in a salmon, which might signify a slight recovery in salmon?  After this eagle had been feeding on it for 15 minutes another eagle flew down beside it and shoved him aside - his wife.  He accepted this and went to the water to wash his beak and talons.  She ate some and then flew it to the Sandstone Point nest (the Wiig's nest)
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on June 18, 2011, 09:48:45 PM
Thanks for telling us about it, Doug. It is just great that Sheila spotted that! So much goes on that we miss because we aren't looking at the right time.

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: BBE on June 18, 2011, 11:16:31 PM
How fortunate that Sheila was in the right spot at the right time and that you were able to watch. Thank you.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on June 19, 2011, 06:51:23 AM
(((((Doug and Sheila)))))  :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: ccfan on June 19, 2011, 07:54:37 AM
Wow...what a gift you had to see that...Thank you for all yo do and all you share. :s*
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 20, 2011, 08:44:26 PM
A sad story this evening.  I saw our family of geese swimming from Grassy Point, but one of the parents was missing.  I think the remaining parent is the mother - not that much larger than the six goslings.  The question is, will she be able to protect the goslings on her own?

It will not be a problem of feeding them.  From the first time I saw them (fluffy little balls) they could walk very well and fed themselves, nibbling at grass, seaweed and odds and ends.  Never did the goslings depend on the parents tearing off morsels for them to eat.  The problem will be one of protection.

As they were swimming south, towards Sandstone Point, the goslings were having trouble keeping up with mom.  After a while two of them lagged far behind, then the next four slipped back also.  Mom turned back and got them all together again.  Then I noticed that as they were swimming south, the current was taking them north.  They were losing ground.  Finally the kids went on strike and swam with the current back to Grassy Point and mom followed.

Earlier this evening I saw the Wiig's eagle with what I thought was another salmon.  Wow, I said to Sheila. it is the reddest salmon I have ever seen.  But in retrospect, I don't think it was salmon.  I find it hard to simply say "Nature is like that" and not feel sad.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: passerine on June 20, 2011, 08:53:43 PM
Know what you mean Doug, it always saddens me when something happens to the wildlife around here. Whether Hawk or other wise, even though I do understand that the predators also need to eat, doesn't make it easier.

Hoping for the best outcome for the goslings.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on June 21, 2011, 01:42:35 AM
Doug, I agree.  It is sad when a bird or animal is needed for food for another bird or animal.  I've never liked the phrase, "That's Nature" or versions thereof. :ecnono

I was hoping that all the goslings and parents do well, but I know that it isn't realistic.  My brother and SIL have a very large pond (3 1/2 acres) and have many different kinds of ducks build nests and raise their young there.  Some years he tells me that only one or two ducklings out of a family of ten survived.   :sad
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 21, 2011, 05:54:20 AM
I looked out at 5:45 am.  Mother goose and all six goslings are swimming by, heading for Hidden Bay.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Cawatcher on June 21, 2011, 06:25:29 AM
Whew glad to hear Doug
 :biggrin6
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: baysis on June 21, 2011, 07:53:18 AM
I looked out at 5:45 am.  Mother goose and all six goslings are swimming by, heading for Hidden Bay.

Wow - you were up early Doug.  Pleased to hear the goose family seem to be coping & long may it continue.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 22, 2011, 12:45:35 PM
Mother goose is managing very well on her own.  She and the 6 goslings have been cruising by many time since.  I thought it would be a big problem protecting a family of 6 in a single parent home.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on June 22, 2011, 03:38:44 PM
Doug, thanks for keeping us in the loop about Mother Goose and her goslings.  It makes my heart feel warm to know that all is well.  They certainly can find plenty of food and she doesn't have to feed them, which really helps!   :nod2

 :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on June 22, 2011, 07:48:01 PM
Doug,

I have seen the goslings dwindle down here over the years and that is with both parents. The geese also band together, with half a dozen adults and the goslings as a group. They have many enemies - raccoons along the shore at night, the otters, and of course, the eagles. I think the eagles take the biggest toll in broad daylight.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 26, 2011, 09:10:34 AM
DOUGLAS FIR:     All of the Hornby Island nests are built on Douglas Fir trees.  The common name Douglas Fir, is in honour of the Scottish botonist, David Douglas, who first introduced this Pacific Coast tree to cultivation in Scotland and Europe.

However, it was first discovered in 1791 by an earlier Scottish surgeon and naturalist, Archibald Menzies, who sailed with Captain Vancouver while exploring and mapping Vancouver Island.  Thus, its scientific name is "Pseudo-tsuga menziesii", meaning false hemlock, recognizing that it is not a true fir.

Incidentally, Menzies was the first person to climb Mauna Loa on Hawaii.  The trail to the summit is still called the "Menzies Trail".  Using a barometer, Menzies estimated its altitude to be 13,564 feet.  Its actual altitude is 13, 679 feet - not far off.

The madrona or arbutus tree was also first discovered by Menzies and is called "Arbutus menziesii" - arbutus simply being the latin word for tree, just as an arborist is one who works with trees.  When we in Canada call it an "arbutus tree"  we are really saying a "tree tree".
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: amazedbyeagles on June 26, 2011, 09:52:22 AM
Hi Doug, Thanks so much for those interesting details about the Douglas Fir, and the amusing translation of arbitus tree being a tree tree!!!!  :eclol
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 26, 2011, 10:03:53 AM
Up at the Hornby Island Co-op Store, I found out the secret of the T-bone steaks the eagles had in their nest yesterday.  The Store donated them to our eagles.  They were from organically raised Hornby cattle.  They had  passed the recommended date of usage but were still good.  Also donated at the same time was a $40 prime rib roast.  Our eagles are doing OK.  Thanks to the Co-op Store.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on June 26, 2011, 10:20:07 AM
Yay for the great Co-op benefactors, Doug!  Thank you for letting us know where the steaks and roast came from before they were placed on the beach.   :thumbup:   :heart
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: madrona on June 26, 2011, 10:26:58 AM
Thanks for the arbutus/madrona information, Doug.  I have a vested interest!   :ecwink

I wonder if the scientific name "Pseudo-tsuga menziesii" makes allowances for the proper pronunciation of Menzies?   See Here. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4595228.stm)  

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Why is Menzies pronounced Mingis?

Blame the "yogh", a letter in old English and Scots which has no exact equivalent today.

Pronounced "yog", it used to be written a bit like the old copperplate-style "z" with a tail, which helps explain the discrepancy between the spelling of Menzies and the pronunciation.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: NancyM on June 26, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
 :thumbup: for the co-op store, and thanks for the information, Doug!

Madrona, I have friends whose last name is "Menzies" - pronounced "Men-zees" - I am guessing that the Latin pronunciation of the species name would be similar.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: passerine on June 26, 2011, 10:45:44 AM
Doug on Vancouver Island in my area some of the eagles use Black Cotton trees prob because of not having enough Douglas Fir to go around.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Faithyv on June 26, 2011, 02:02:12 PM
Mystery of the meat solved.  Thanks Doug - and my thanks to the Co-op too!!!
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 27, 2011, 11:19:11 AM
Yesterday I saw our two eagles side by side in the Leaning Tree.  This is on Sandstone Point, the southern boundry of their territory.  As a check, I looked up at the Peter's Tree and there were our two eagles perched there.  The eagles on the Leaning Tree were the Wiig's eagles, the next family, who used to perch on the Flat-top Tree and no closer.  I have seen this happening a number of times this year.  It seems as if the Wiig's eagles are extending their territory and our eagles aren't making a big deal about it.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: birdvoyer on June 27, 2011, 11:30:03 AM
Thanks Doug. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out over time.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Trixie in Ontario on June 27, 2011, 02:50:42 PM
I agree Birdvoyer -- it will be really interesting.

I've checked the Wiig nest thread, but don't see much history about this pair.  Doug, do you know how long they have had this territory or any sense of their age?  I'd be curious about how much younger they might be than Mum and Dad.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Blue on June 27, 2011, 05:33:42 PM
Trixie, this is a post of Doug's about the Wiig's.  :ecsmile


At 7 o'clock this evening Sheila spotted what looked like someone swimming off Sandstone Point.  Looking in the telescope, it was an eagle swimming towards shore, dragging a fish too large to lift from the water.  In a one minute period, it made 45 wing strokes - about one stroke every 1 1/4 seconds.  Upon landing at Sandstone Point, it dragged the fish up the shore a foot or two.  I thought it might be a dog fish but saw a broad tail like a salmon, about a foot and a half long.  As it began eating it I could see red flesh.  Other likely fish are Dog fish, rock fish and ling cod but all are white fleshed, so it probably was a salmon.

This is the first time in several years that I have seen an eagle swimnming in a salmon, which might signify a slight recovery in salmon?  After this eagle had been feeding on it for 15 minutes another eagle flew down beside it and shoved him aside - his wife.  He accepted this and went to the water to wash his beak and talons.  She ate some and then flew it to the Sandstone Point nest (the Wiig's nest)

Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Tigerlady105 on June 27, 2011, 05:37:16 PM
It seems like a big challenge to raise two eaglets and defend the boundaries of your territory from neighboring eagles at the same time.
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Doug on June 27, 2011, 09:57:31 PM
Trixie,  I think the Wiigs eagles started their nest about ten years after our eagles had been nesting.  Being younger, they might be more vigorous, but maybe our eagles haven't seen any importance to controlling the Leaning Tree any more and simply let them use it if they wish?
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: Faerie Gardener on June 28, 2011, 06:08:17 AM
Doug, do you think maybe one of the Wiigs eagles could bean offspring of the Hornby couple, and that would be why they are more tolerant of them?
Title: Re: Doug's Updates
Post by: typoscount2 on August 06, 2011, 08:48:12 PM

I just want to share this with all of you, as a reminder that no matter how this has ended, things were the best they have ever been for this cam and the people who got to live a bit of an eagles life

For many of us who have watched this nest since its first public airing on the internet, the shutting down of these cams is an end of an era. Although we hope to have reports we will not see events unfold.

This is a short chronology of the Hornby Island eagle nest cam


2006 - 3 months streaming cam with Hancock Wildlife Foundation.  Cam first aired approx. MARCH 24th when second egg was laid,
 Cam  was shut down May 5, 2006; taken off air after eggs
 decomposed in early MAY.
            
2007 - No streaming due to cams being damaged in winter storms.
two eaglets successfully fledged that year

2008 - 4 months streaming cam with Hancock Wildlife Foundation from MARCH until JUNE, when it became  clear that there would be no eggs laid that year.  At this time, Mr. Carrick said he was shutting the cams down and would not likely turn them on again due to personal considerations.
          
2009 - 7 months streaming cam with Hancock Wildlife Foundation, starting in FEBRUARY; until AUGUST Hope and Echo hatched, Hope went on to fledge successfully.
At the end of the fledge season, the Carricks made the decision to discontinue streaming the cam, due to personal considerations

          
2009-2011 - 22 months streaming cam with Hornby Eagle Group Projects Society (HEGPS) from NOVEMBER 2009 until AUGUST 2011.  The 2009/2010 season was the first fall and winter season ever streamed with the Hornby Island eagle pair.  That is nearly 2 years of continuous streaming with HEGPS, showing year-round activities in the life of these eagles.

At the end of the 2011 season, the Carricks again made the decision to discontinue streaming the cam, due to personal considerations

 

On a personal note, this is not the first, nor even the second time, the decision to stop the cams has been made, and created a sadness for me at the loss of sharing the eagles lives.
The repeated loss , though, also  reminds me that even with no cam, the eagles will continue in their own time and live their own lives , as intended by their nature.
And so shall I
I have come to admire  the eagles and their capacity to be a family,to show their care and affections for each other. I am in awe of their power and yet know they are as subject to their environment as we all are, and that they have no daily guarantee of survival.
I have also come to appreciate  people who strive to improve their own part of the world for their animal neighbours and thus improve their own personal spaces.

Eagles of Hornby, have fair winds and good fishing,
Eagles of  Hornby, stay free, stay strong,
Eagles of Hornby , fair thee well

   Don't cry because it's over .   Smile because it happened.  
~Theodor Seuss Geisel, attributed~